Scope recommendations for my HW97K

I've got a Sightron S1 4x12x40 AO on my HW97k. I like it a lot. It replaced a Hawke Airmax 3x9x40.

The Airmax is a good scope and has lasted about 40k shots. I'm not crazy about the reticle for hunting or dark backgrounds but I like it for targets. It has served me well.

I think the Sightron is a better scope as far as glass is concerned and I like the reticle a lot better. They are both reasonably priced and have a lifetime warranty.

Neither have illumination.
When a scope goes bad does it go all at once? Or what are the symptoms?
 
  • Like
Reactions: .20calguy
When a scope goes bad does it go all at once? Or what are the symptoms?

I'm no expert. On mine the zero jumps around. It's either a shotgun pattern or groups that move around on the paper.

It's common to be 3-5 clicks off the dot at 25 yds. and need to re-zero once in a while. A scattered pattern or zero that moves around and settles in a different spot 10-12 clicks off is generally the scope. I have a couple scopes that won't group at all (2-3"@25) and others that group nicely but walk to a new spot 2" off the dot every 50-60 shots.

I've had a couple that didn't adjust at all anymore because the spring collapsed or fell out. And one with a broken crosshair too.

The 97k is heavy. It's probably easier on a scope than a lot of springers. The smaller the objective lens and the lower you mount the scope the longer it will last. The heavier and higher a scope gets the more shock it absorbs. I keep them 40mm or smaller and get them down against the rifle as low as possible. With good mounts you shouldn't have many problems.
 
Last edited:
When a scope goes bad does it go all at once? Or what are the symptoms?
Good question! Hillarious answers are sure to follow. It can be catastrophic, turrets coming apart, reticles spinning or broken, frozen adjustments, and of course just not holding a zero. This stuff use to be very common, scopes have gotten way better, especially the cheaper ones.
 
I'm no expert. On mine the zero jumps around. It's either a shotgun pattern or groups that move around on the paper.

It's common to be 3-5 clicks off the dot at 25 yds. and need to re-zero once in a while. A scattered pattern or zero that moves around and settles in a different spot 10-12 clicks off is generally the scope. I have a couple scopes that won't group at all (2-3"@25) and others that group nicely but walk to a new spot 2" off the dot every 50-60 shots.

I've had a couple that didn't adjust at all anymore because the spring collapsed or fell out. And one with a broken crosshair too.

The 97k is heavy. It's probably easier on a scope than a lot of springers. The smaller the objective lens and the lower you mount the scope the longer it will last. The heavier and higher a scope gets the more shock it absorbs. I keep them 40mm or smaller and get them down against the rifle as low as possible. With good mounts you shouldn't have many problems.
But the AIRMAX has a lifetime warranty?
 
But when the AIRMAX calved though it had a lifetime warranty you switched to Sightron?

I switched from the Airmax to a Sightron.
They both have a lifetime warranty.

Im using the Airmax on another rifle. I switched because I like the reticle much better on the Sightron. I'll replace the Airmax with a Leupold when the Airmax starts rattling around inside.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BABz58
When a scope goes bad does it go all at once? Or what are the symptoms?
My first was a Bushnell 3X9 with an adjustable objective. The ring around the AO came loose but I caught it before the tiny screws fell completely out. The AO was damaged so that it would no longer focus at any setting.

Then a week ago I had accuracy issues with My Element and noticed my eyepeice was loose. So I boxed it up and had a replacement in four days. I assume that it was springer damage but I don't really know. It was never dropped or hit, and had about 5000 rounds on an HW98K.
 
Haven't seen Leupold mentioned much lately, have they been overtaken for quality by other brands, or am I mistaken?

I'm not sure about "overtaken by quality". Leupold prices are the big factor IMHO and always have been.

They only make one true airgun scope. It lists for $399.

Some of the new brands definitely approach Leupold quality. But they are less expensive and offer features that appeal to air gunners.

Leupold didn't jump into the airgun market like others did. The scopes you see discussed here are all marketed to airgunners and designed for that market.

It's funny that they can market air rifles that cost many times what a good hunting rifle costs. Yet the scopes marketed for airguns are generally much less. I think this left a gap in the market that has been filled with several brands that approach Leupold quality, have adjustable focus and still fall below a price point that's acceptable.

Soon these imported scopes will cost a lot more. A $50 tax on a $250 imported scope makes you look again at Leupold. Things are going to cost a lot more now and the US made scopes won't increase as much. There may be less price difference to squabble about.
 
Last edited:
I'm not sure about "overtaken by quality". Leupold prices are the big factor IMHO and always have been.

They only make one true airgun scope. It lists for $399.

Some of the new brands definitely approach Leupold quality. But they are less expensive and offer features that appeal to air gunners.

Leupold didn't jump into the airgun market like others did. The scopes you see discussed here are all marketed to airgunners and designed for that market.

It's funny that they can market air rifles that cost many times what a good hunting rifle costs. Yet the scopes marketed for airguns are generally much less. I think this left a gap in the market that has been filled with several brands that approach Leupold quality, have adjustable focus and still fall below a price point that's acceptable.

Soon these imported scopes will cost a lot more. A $60 tax on a $250 imported scope makes you look again at Leupold. Things are going to cost a lot more now and the US made scopes won't increase as much. There may be less price difference to squabble about.
Thanks for your reply. Makes sense.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bedrock Bob
Hello … let me give some pointers:
What did you need the scope for? Are you doing EBR? Are you hunting? Are you doing back yard shooting? How is your sight? And the most important question is how much money are you willing to spend? You can buy a scope the cheaper one I will say from $200 up to $4000 or maybe more. Once your answer all those questions you will narrow down the kind of scope that you need and believe me it’s going to be a way easier that way, but anyway this is my humble opinion. Be safe.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BABz58
Hello … let me give some pointers:
What did you need the scope for? Are you doing EBR? Are you hunting? Are you doing back yard shooting? How is your sight? And the most important question is how much money are you willing to spend? You can buy a scope the cheaper one I will say from $200 up to $4000 or maybe more. Once your answer all those questions you will narrow down the kind of scope that you need and believe me it’s going to be a way easier that way, but anyway this is my humble opinion. Be safe.
Personally, I will be doing 25/50/75 yard target shooting, maybe some backyard stuff, but likely no more than that. My eyesight is not great, I wear glasses and have had cataract surgery in the last year. I've not decided what my budget would be, to be honest. I'd want to do some research and comparisons and go from there. I appreciate your input.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BABz58
At Sportsmans Warehouse they have a wooden stock with a rubber scope mount on it. They can put any scope on the shelf in it for you to point around.

It's a pretty cool way to try different scopes. When I'm depressed I have them put a big Zeiss scope on it and aim it around as if it were actually in my budget. It seems to flatten out my brain chemistry nicely.

They have very few focusing scopes to choose from. But you can sample a lot of reticle designs and features. It's a good place to start if your not sure exactly what you want.
 
I've got a Sightron S1 4x12x40 AO on my HW97k. I like it a lot. It replaced a Hawke Airmax 3x9x40.

The Airmax is a good scope and has lasted about 40k shots. I'm not crazy about the reticle for hunting or dark backgrounds but I like it for targets. It has served me well.

I think the Sightron is a better scope as far as glass is concerned and I like the reticle a lot better. They are both reasonably priced and have a lifetime warranty.

Neither have illumination.
I'm considering the purchase of an HW97K and was wondering about mounts. Specifically mount height. Which mounts (and height) did you use with the 40mm objective?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bedrock Bob