Scope ring surprise

In over 50 years of using scope rings I’ve run into the occasional glitch, but this is by far one of the most surprising. Brands I’ve used have included Burris, B-Square, Weaver, Leupold, Redfield, Ruger, BKL, Millett, Talley, Warne, Westhunter (good quality chinesium stuff, btw), an Australian brand that I’ve forgotten the name of, and one or two English air gun rings. For the most part, I’ve never had an issue other than the odd burr or flaw occasionally cropping up. 

Perhaps that is why I’m so surprised at the issues I had with a set of rings I expected a great deal from. UTG/Leapers has made a conscientious effort to improve their product line over the last few years, specifically by introducing American made items into their lineup. I was particularly interested in seeing the results, and so I ordered a set of their 30mm Picatinny rings, item # RWU013022 to be exact. These were to mount a fairly large Nikko-Stirling on my new Benjamin Kratos, in itself a goodly sized rifle. The UTG rings appeared massive in advertisements, and I thought they would provide a good cosmetic match to my rifle and scope.

Imagine my surprise when I could not fit them to the integral rail on the Kratos! I fussed and fooled around for over 10 minutes before I came to the rather obvious conclusion that the lug on the bottom of the rings that is meant to mate with the slot in the rails was just too big. I tried the rings facing both forwards and backwards, and I completely disassembled one to confirm that it wouldn’t fit. I was able to mount both Burris rings and B-Square Interlock rings with zero issues. The Burris rings with their round section locking screw are of course meant for the similar Weaver style bases, but they did work. The Interlock rings however, have a distinctly rectangular profile to their lug, very much like the UTG. They fit perfectly, as did more conventional Weaver style rings also by B-Square.

I have to admit to being pretty disappointed, especially given the price I paid for the ring set, just over 50 bucks. The UTG rings were exceptionally well machined, and had a nice monolithic appearance. Given that I was able to easily mount three other ring sets, I can only come to the conclusion that something is subtly but distinctly off in their machining. It might be as simple as a grossly exaggerated case of plus and minus tolerances gone wild, but I cannot recommend these new UTG rings to anyone.


As an aside, I mentioned Westhunter rings above, and I can honestly say that their 11mm dovetail rings are obviously well made and a true bargain at the asking price. Those prices, btw, tend to run less if bought at the “bay” rather than the “big river”, and I have no experience with any of their Picatinny style offerings or other products for that matter. For those looking for a novel 11mm ring set, they come in a variety of colors, and the fit and finish are both top notch.

I hope that is of some use to a few of my fellow airgunners!
 
Bought them on eBay, and was willing to pay the price in the hopes that Leapers had taken the “leap” to the next level of quality.

Alas, that sadly was not the case, and they are winging their way back tomorrow for a full refund.

In terms of the most versatile offerings, the old B-Square company was probably the best for having something to fit every single occasion. My understanding is that Sun Optics USA is what B-Square morphed into, but I cannot attest to the quality of their current products. I’ve been informed that most of their stuff is now made in China, so there is a possibility that the line isn’t to the same standard as the Texas made days, although some Chinese machine work is obviously very, very well done.

Oh well, ya pays your money and takes your chances. Live and learn, but at least I’m getting a refund!
 
Sun Optics sell the B-Square mounts and really had no idea that they are now Chinese made.

I know their scopes are Chinese and overpriced and have sub par optics.

I am not altogether certain about the shift to China, but I’m given to understand that most of the folks who were originally involved are gone now. Much of their product line was CNC produced, which can be done anywhere, and I’ve noticed subtle differences in the shape of their rings but this is from photographs only. I would be very surprised to see that rings that sell for 15 or so dollars shipped are still being made in the USA. Burris Zee rings run about 28 to 30 bucks, and they moved production of those offshore several years ago, perhaps even longer ago then that.

I see that there are several vendors currently marketing B-Square products as now being under the Safariland umbrella, and those rings do resemble the older style, so I have to wonder who’s who and what’s what. Hopefully the quality remains regardless of name or origin.

By the way, you are not the first to mention that BKL has gone downhill and I’ve noticed that a number of their rings and mounts have been discontinued, which can usually be a sign of worse things to come down the road.

I mentioned Australian made rings in my first post, and dimly recall that these were imported by Simmons at one time. I have a few sets left, all of which have a small but distinct “Australia” stamped on each ring. They were a very close copy of the Burris Zee rings, of the highest quality. I sure wish I had bought more!
 
I have quite a few UTG rings and have never had a problem with any of them as yet even though they be made mostly in China . 

Started buying the UTG rings after my last order of what used to be made in the USA Millet rings arrived. I was happy to get them as they were just what I wanted until I opened the package and saw that they were hopelessly bent and twisted out of shape. Looks like somebody messed them up with a hydraulic press. Then I read on the package Made in Mexico. So the many years I bought the Millet brand ended that day and I got rid of most of the Millet rings I had acquired earlier as well. Not a happy camper I was/am about that. Sent them back to Millet with a nasty note.

Been buying the Warne brand lately as they are US made twenty miles down the road not to far from Leupold the last I heard.
 
I have quite a few UTG rings and have never had a problem with any of them as yet even though they be made mostly in China . 

Started buying the UTG rings after my last order of what used to be made in the USA Millet rings arrived. I was happy to get them as they were just what I wanted until I opened the package and saw that they were hopelessly bent and twisted out of shape. Looks like somebody messed them up with a hydraulic press. Then I read on the package Made in Mexico. So the many years I bought the Millet brand ended that day and I got rid of most of the Millet rings I had acquired earlier as well. Not a happy camper I was/am about that. Sent them back to Millet with a nasty note.

Been buying the Warne brand lately as they are US made twenty miles down the road not to far from Leupold the last I heard.

The Warne rings I’ve used have proven to be of very fine quality. I’ve never visited their factory, but intend to do so in the near future just out of curiosity. They are of course the remnants of Jack Warne’s sadly unsuccessful Kimber of Oregon venture, an example of biting off a bit more than one can chew. A little too ambitious, but oh what a glorious product line it was. I was privileged to own one, a left handed Kimber .22 rifle that I foolishly let go, and it was a truly fine bit of work. I mounted a Leupold 4x Rimfire scope on it with Leupold rings I believe, and had what was a beautifully made rifle to be proud of. 


Oddly enough, since I’ve already mentioned Australian made rings a few times, Jack was from Australia originally, where he made a predecessor of the Kimber rimfire. It wasn’t quite as sophisticated, but still a solidly built rifle. In fact, Winchester imported them for a time as their 300 series of bolt action .22 rifles. If you find one of those, grab it up, it is a little known jewel of rimfire rifles.
 
 

Thanks for the information I had no idea things went like that. So many thing go on behind the curtains and we just never know of them.

I had an absolutely gorgeous Kimber .22 mag rifle with a Kimber branded scope on top myself. It shot dime sized groups at 100 yards I loved the thing. I traded it off with my beautiful S&W model 19 357 with an 8 inch barrel for a 280ZX turbo when I was not doing so well physically and needed a car. It needed werq mainly wiring and I could do that. Got it running quite well and sold it to a friend who never paid me for it. Got it back trashed beyond belief and useless so just gave it away. 

Things happen but the car was good for me for the year I drove it, when I really needed a car with an automatic and air conditioning, so guess that is all that really counts.
 
I have a set of 1" UTG us made rings, they have no problems mounting on my Picatinny rail

I’m glad to read that! I liked the rings quite a bit, but if they won’t fit I can’t get much use from them.

In retrospect, perhaps I should have tried them on some other picatinny rails that I have here, but their intended use was always on the Kratos and they absolutely would not fit on it. Still, it is good t hear that they work in other applications. Makes me wonder if mine were just an aberration rather than the norm.