self chrono check during a match?

[JP806TX]

I was reading the WFTF and AAFTA rules regarding chronograph use. It states that you need to chrono your rifle during training/sight-in day and daily chrono during the match.

What happens if you suspect a gun failure during the match and you want to chrono your rifle but you are nowhere near the official chrono station?

For example You have missed the last 4 (easy) targets. Are you allowed to use your own chrono when it's your turn to shoot? and does that count as part of your total time on that lane?

I know some of the PCP have built in chrono. and it would be as easy as looking at the LCD screen to get your velocity. But what happens if you are shooting a springer?

 

[Motorhead]

Club matches are one thing and generally pretty loose trusting shooters to understand and self govern power limits.

State / GP matches a PROVIDED chrony being the standard of measuring used by all shooters at an assigned position on the course, Speed documented by ones squad mate. ( Some times a dedicated chrony station with the task being supervised )

TIME of 5 min for a 4 shot lane is when sitting and gun in possession ... walking, chrony station or other between lane gaps in time are not counted.

IF YOUR SEATED AND SHOOTING AT AN ACTUAL TARGET / LANE and fooling around with a chrony at the same time ... YUP you got 5 minuets to get it done !! .... That being whatever futzing around your doing with your chony and getting your 4 shots done.

And will add this: UNLESS shots taken at any lane position are stated to ones partner / squad mate as NOT AT TARGET they will be counted !!
If in theory your taking a self chrony shot while aiming at a target, it will count as one of the 4 allowed shots.
* Generally the ONLY TIME extra shot are allowed by most MD's is when a shooter suspects a bad pellet or none loaded and announces to his squad mate they are burning the shot into the dirt and NOT at target. If one discharges there AG for ANY REASON being a premature shot / oups, bad pellet or personal screw up WITH OUT stating so to squad mate is considered a shot taken

 

[Scotchmo]

AAFTA rule book:
“No energy-level adjustments allowed during the match….”

Usually, you’ll be hitting high or hitting low if your velocity is off significantly. If your velocity is off, you can’t adjust it during a match. If you suspect that your velocity is low or high, your best bet it to use more or less compensation. And if in a GP match, hope that any velocity shift did not put you over the limit if there is an upcoming chronograph check.

 

[JP806TX]

AAFTA rule book:
“No energy-level adjustments allowed during the match….”

Usually, you’ll be hitting high or hitting low if your velocity is off significantly. If your velocity is off, you can’t adjust it during a match. If you suspect that your velocity is low or high, your best bet it to use more or less compensation. And if in a GP match, hope that any velocity shift did not put you over the limit if there is an upcoming chronograph check.

Yeah I read the no energy-level adjustment during the match.

But does it apply to a gun failure like a spring failure. During the Arizona Grand Prix. I started missing shots after the first lane. The official chrono station was about 8 lanes away? When I got there to chrono...I was around 5 FPE (should be at 11 FPE).

I thought there was provision in the rule to let you fix your gun during the match. Like swap out a spring? between lanes?

Should there be a provision in the rules to chrono your gun (to make sure it's below 20 or below 12 FPE) after you fix it between lanes?

 

[humbled.ag]

If you shoot over the limit at the chrony station, that's it, no do overs. If you fix your gun after it's chrony'd and you discover it's over the limit after being tested, lucky you. If you have more shooting the next day, make sure to get it under the limit before starting.

 

[scotton]

Yeah I read the no energy-level adjustment during the match.

But does it apply to a gun failure like a spring failure. During the Arizona Grand Prix. I started missing shots after the first lane. The official chrono station was about 8 lanes away? When I got there to chrono...I was around 5 FPE (should be at 11 FPE).

I thought there was provision in the rule to let you fix your gun during the match. Like swap out a spring? between lanes?

Should there be a provision in the rules to chrono your gun (to make sure it's below 20 or below 12 FPE) after you fix it between lanes?

I get what you are asking. The answer is that you can use your personal chrono while shooting a lane (otherwise Delta Wolfs and Alpha Wolfs would be illegal), but all of the shots have to be at the targets. In other words, the shots over the chrono will count. You can shoot over your chrono at a non-target lane (ie the sight in range) during the match if it is available. This is up to the match director if there is a place available to shoot during the match But you will be on the clock. When it's your turn to shoot whatever lane your squad mates are at, they are required to start the timer for your 5 minutes.

For example, at ROT this year my squad mate realized that he needed to make a turret adjustment that required an allen wrench from his car. He took off for the parking lot while I walked to the next lane, sat down, started the timer, shot my 4 shots, waited for the timer to expire and stood up. About 15 seconds later, he sat down and started his timer. So he didn't lose any shots, but if he would have had to do a spring swap or fix a regulator, he probably would have lost the shots on that lane. However, we were using 2 person squads. At Cajuns, you would probably have 10-20 minutes of down time to make a repair between lanes, but there wouldn't be a good area to chrono the gun after replacing the spring. You would have to just go for it and hope for the best, or use your personal chrono on a target lane after swapping the spring.

I've had a couple of instances where my POI went wonky shooting a springer at a GP. (This is referred to as "shooting a springer at a GP" or just "shooting a springer") Usually at that point, I'll just ride it out since the POI shift has already knocked me out of contention. If I knew that the spring broke (which is usually pretty obvious), I would just pop in a new one and keep shooting. I would definitely be out of the competition at that point, but I paid all that money so I want to shoot all of the targets. I usually don't figure out what went wrong with my gun or scope until after the match.

 

[JP806TX]

Yeah I haven't swap out a spring in my TX 200 during a match yet. But I have practice doing it at home and I'm averaging 8-10 minutes. I might just simulate that on my next FT match.

I'm not trying to add to the rule books (I feel the rule books are thick enough already).

Logically, doesn't it make sense to officially chrono a gun after it has been "fixed" between lanes. Maybe this issue is already covered under the random chrono test rule in WFTF?

Maybe it's time to glue or attach a chrono to my TX...just to track fps shifts. Then you can just turn on your chrono...tell your squad mate. Gonna waste a shot and take a chrono reading. So technically...no, not all shots has to be on target. I know, not in the spirit of the waste a shot rule (after filling your PCP or if you inserted a bad pellet into your breech).

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to shoot over 12 FPE after fixing my TX. The spare springs I bring to Grand Prix are all broken in and tested in my backup to be under 12 FPE. Are they under 12 FPE in my primary? working on testing all of them now. I mean with the random chrono testing rule in WFTF, why take a chance and shoot over 12 FPE.

 

[AirNGasman]

1) All trips of the sear while a shooter is on the firing-line of a lane count as shots for record.
2) When timers are used there are no time concessions.
3) In my opinion trying to chronograph from a lane firing-line, especially under the timer, is a situation rifle with potential(s) for danger/disaster.
4) Any sign of such results in immediate disqualification.
5) Delaying the flow of a match for more than a couple minutes for one shooter to make repairs can have repercussions beyond delaying ALL shooters.
6) Anything that complicates match directors' primary responsibility of SAFETY cannot be tolerated simply to create the illusion match directors are nice guys.
7) That's an urban myth.
8) Don't argue point 6; you'll lose.
9) Don't argue points 1-5; you'll lose.
10) You may argue point 7 if it doesn't delay a match, distract a fellow competitor during competition, or create any potential(s) for danger/disaster.
11) ("Our amps go to eleven") You may NOT argue point 7 with a match director.
12) (My opinions know no limit) You may NOT argue ANY points with a match director.

Happy Shooting,
Ron R. (Match DICTATOR- TEXtreme Airgun Sports)

P.S- 13) It's a little known fact that most field target competitors are retired rock stars. Proof positive-

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