Selling asking buyer to pay pp fees.

[2fast2furious]

Not sure if it's allow to discuss about PayPal here. But I keep saying selling asking buyers to pay the fee. I look on PayPal policy and they stated buyers do not pay the fee. Seller have to pay the fee. And then they ask you to send as friends. Like sure imma trust getting scam doing friends and family. When I get Fk, PayPal won't help since it's F&F. Should buyers pays for the fees? Or should seller? Or avoid these type of sellers?

 

[Motorhead]

Seller being charged the fee is how ( They being Pay-Pal ) set up there fee collection .... It in NO WAY dictates that this fee can't be then added to the buyers side of transaction.
Internal financials of PP and those finances of the sellers are EACH there own business model.

Be a seller sometime accepting PP and watch your profit margins get nibbled away by these fees. It does not have to be this way .... Enough said.

 

[shambozzie]

Give Motorhead a cigar. Very well said sir!

 

[2fast2furious]

Seller being charged the fee is how ( They being Pay-Pal ) set up there fee collection .... It in NO WAY dictates that this fee can't be then added to the buyers side of transaction.
Internal financials of PP and those finances of the sellers are EACH there own business model.

Be a seller sometime accepting PP and watch your profit margins get nibbled away by these fees. It does not have to be this way .... Enough said.

Idk but imo if seller wants to add fee on top of the asking price, instead of asking buyers to pay fees, just increase asking price. Example instead of asking for $1500 and then in the description ask buyer to pay fees on top of asking price, list your price as $1550. So buyers will know what they getting into. This makes more sense then asking for a lower price but then later in description asking buyer to pay fees too. I sell things on ebay and also use PayPal as payment. As a seller I automatically get charged the fees and never ask buyers to cover it.

 

[jarmstrong]

I don't understand your problem,,, pay the fee or ask them to accept the listed price and they eat the fee, or meet half way
the same way with shipping costs, some ship paid while others add shipping
if you don't like their asking statement or don't like their counter offer,,, just walk away.
negotiation,,

dialogue between two or more people or parties intended to reach a beneficial outcome​

 

[rcarlisle]

I would be happy to pay the fee to the seller so he/she gets the full amount of the agreed-on price for an item. So if a seller is offering an item for $200.00, I pay him/her $200.00 plus any fees so that the seller gets their $200. And everyone gets what they want. I don't see a big problem here.

 

[baranjhn]

Idk but imo if seller wants to add fee on top of the asking price, instead of asking buyers to pay fees, just increase asking price. Example instead of asking for $1500 and then in the description ask buyer to pay fees on top of asking price, list your price as $1550. So buyers will know what they getting into. This makes more sense then asking for a lower price but then later in description asking buyer to pay fees too. I sell things on ebay and also use PayPal as payment. As a seller I automatically get charged the fees and never ask buyers to cover it.

That’ll work until potential buyers start beating you up on price.

If I sell something a decide to accept PayPal, I offer the buyer the choice to pay friends/family or add 3.5% to cover fees.

Of course you should only be dealing with sellers who have positive feedback.

 

[2fast2furious]

I don't understand your problem,,, pay the fee or ask them to accept the listed price and they eat the fee, or meet half way
the same way with shipping costs, some ship paid while others add shipping
if you don't like their asking statement or don't like their counter offer,,, just walk away

dialogue between two or more people or parties intended to reach a beneficial outcome​

My problem is seller is forcing buyers to pay the fee when I check PayPal policy, buyers do not pay any fees. If you listing your gun at say $1500 and then force buyer to pay fees that's a turn off for me. I never deal with sellers forcing buyer to pay fees.

 

[FLgunner]

When selling to a long time member, in good standing, sometimes F&F is all that's needed because the trust is there because we feel we know each other well enough through this forum, even though he've never met. In these cases F&F saves the buyer money. You still insure it when shipping it. If the buyer doesn't feel they trust the seller enough to accept F&F, then the Buyer Protection makes sense for them, and thus, they should have no issue paying for it by covering the fee. Personally, if I don't trust the buyer or seller, I don't deal with them! This is just my opinion...

 

[RobBonnell89]

it’s basically the unwritten rule when selling and using PayPal. Buyer sends f&f or covers the fees.Bunch of reasons why but I’m not getting into them. Best thing to do when buying in forums and groups, Do your research on sellers. Ask for vouches, call them or do a video chat. If something feels off just back out. Scammers are out of control and ripping of buyers and sellers.
Oh and if you’re going to technical. PayPal might not(probably not) even protect you. Read that fine print, all the cool stuff we love, PayPal doesn’t.

Get out and sling some lead
Rob

 

[JaceSpace1369]

Most sellers that I have seen asking to pay that fee. Are only asking if the buyer wants to pay for it through the business side of it and not friends and family.

 

[2fast2furious]

I would be happy to pay the fee to the seller so he/she gets the full amount of the agreed-on price for an item. So if a seller is offering an item for $200.00, I pay him/her $200.00 plus any fees so that the seller gets their $200. And everyone gets what they want. I don't see a big problem here.

I guess no one sees the problem. Here is a Google search. What selling asking buyer to pay fees is illegal. Either put in asking price and boost up price, might turn buyers away buy u aren't forcing buyers to pay fee. Also asking for buyer use friends and family on goods is also illegal. Might want to check PayPal policy before using it.

 

[FLgunner]

My problem is seller is forcing buyers to pay the fee when I check PayPal policy, buyers do not pay any fees. If you listing your gun at say $1500 and then force buyer to pay fees that's a turn off for me. I never deal with sellers forcing buyer to pay fees.

If the seller is forcing you to pay the fees, then I agree, they should just include it in the price. As other have stated, offering to have them cover the fee as an option, is the best way to handle it. It is Buyer Protection, does it really do anything for the seller?

 

[jarmstrong]

My problem is seller is forcing buyers to pay the fee when I check PayPal policy, buyers do not pay any fees. If you listing your gun at say $1500 and then force buyer to pay fees that's a turn off for me. I never deal with sellers forcing buyer to pay fees.

how do they FORCE you? just walk away and quit crying,,, and don't pay and don't get the product
PayPal is a souless corporation,,, non human, it does NOT care who pays as long as they get paid

 

[rc4fun]

And of course if you don't keep receipts for all the stuff you are selling below cost and you sell over $600, total not each item, you will then be expected to pay additional income tax on the 1099 you receive from PP. F&F payments excluded.
Maybe not all states yet but it soon will be. and that's one more reason not to accept PP.

 

[Firewalker]

I offer goods and services via payment through PayPal. It's a business account so there is no friends and family option for my customers any longer.

In light of this discussion, I will no longer ask for the 3.5% PayPal fees.

 

[Motorhead]

In my business model it is very simple when using pay-Pal ...

Here is the Amount due $XXX .... payable cash or check, If using Pay-Pal Add 3.5% at $XXX total, or pay via Friends and Family.

I state what is owned and amount expecting to get paid, if you choose to use PP, you have made a choice and accept either the fee changed, or accept to use the F&F option. If that's not acceptable send a Check etc ....

In over 10 years of offering On-Line generated service work this has not been a problem ... There are choices the payee's can make, I'm not eating the fee's if Payees choose to use a service that charges me to get whats owed to me.


* Really more a what side of the transaction one is looking from ???
Or ... one plays the game of a here is whats owned ( Figuring PP will get used ) and having added the fee .. then stating for Cash or Check you get a 3.5% discount. Same place, different verbiage

 

[beerthief]

this is the real answer . thankyou to

jarmstrong​

Member​

"how do they FORCE you? just walk away and quit crying,,, and don't pay and don't get the product"

 

[Firewalker]

I guess no one sees the problem. Here is a Google search. What selling asking buyer to pay fees is illegal. Either put in asking price and boost up price, might turn buyers away buy u aren't forcing buyers to pay fee. Also asking for buyer use friends and family on goods is also illegal. Might want to check PayPal policy before using it.

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I did the deep dig and there are two points to discuss here:

1). According to PayPal TOS, the seller cannot outright ask for the buyer to pay the approx. 3.5% fees PayPal charges.

2). It is not "illegal" as posted above, it's just part of your agreement.

One can just increase the price of the item/service or add any one of the dozens of other fees one is allowed in the TOS.

I will just add a handling fee as was very common in the past.

 

[TMH]

I totally get what the OP is saying here: Instead of offering some folks a better price if they pay via F&F, all sellers should just up their prices by at least 5% so that everyone will get to pay more. Then everyone wins!

BTW - credit card companies have been doing this for on the order of 50 years to protect their cash cow - the cut they take on every credit card transaction. They first went after gas stations who started charging more for buyers who used a CC. VISA and others tried to pull credit card processing accounts from shops which did this.

Obviously they failed in the end as nearly every gas station still charges customers more if they use a credit card. I don't know whether it is just a semantics issue - I think that you can't create a surcharge for using a CC, but you can give a cash discount.

And to the O.P. - If you don't like someone's selling terms move on, and good luck to you.