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I was talking to a guy today that told me his buddy consistently makes 200+ yard headshots on ground squirrels. I told him I could I only do that with my 204/223 powder burner(and even then, not consistently). He said the guy is making 0.25" to 0.50" five shot groups at 200yds. I believe the shooter is using an FX custom 25 cal with with heavy slugs. The shooter said(we talked to him on the phone) that he is shooting at 1100+ ft/sec, so it is subsonic, but I don't remember what weight slugs he was shooting. I invited him to my gun range to show me because even though I don't think it is impossible, I just feel that with my experiences and seeing people shooting high end powder burning varmint rifles, it just seems rather improbable. I am no fan of eating crow, but I'm willing to eat a whole plate full just to see this guy shoot a couple of sub moa 5 shot groups at 200yds with an air rifle with consistency. If you know of people achieving this sort of accuracy, I'd like to know about it.
 
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I would say to grab lunch first because I don’t think you’ll be eating much crow. I doubt that anyone is shooting consistent half inch groups at 200 yards with an air rifle.
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My thoughts exactly. But it is not impossible. What I strongly suspect the situation to be is the distance is either misjudged, or not even measured(just guessed at). It is funny how 200yds turns into 75yds once the laser range finder comes out.
 
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My thoughts exactly. But it is not impossible. What I strongly suspect the situation to be is the distance is either misjudged, or not even measured(just guessed at). It is funny how 200yds turns into 75yds once the laser range finder comes out.
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200+ yard headshots on ground squirrels. consistently , key word there . though i seem to remember videos posted in the hunting section here of very long shots on Ca. ground squirrels ?
 
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johnwoitalla said:
I was talking to a guy today that told me his buddy consistently makes 200+ yard headshots on ground squirrels. I told him I could I only do that with my 204/223 powder burner(and even then, not consistently). He said the guy is making 0.25" to 0.50" five shot groups at 200yds. I believe the shooter is using an FX custom 25 cal with with heavy slugs. The shooter said(we talked to him on the phone) that he is shooting at 1100+ ft/sec, so it is subsonic, but I don't remember what weight slugs he was shooting. I invited him to my gun range to show me because even though I don't think it is impossible, I just feel that with my experiences and seeing people shooting high end powder burning varmint rifles, it just seems rather improbable. I am no fan of eating crow, but I'm willing to eat a whole plate full just to see this guy shoot a couple of sub moa 5 shot groups at 200yds with an air rifle with consistency. If you know of people achieving this sort of accuracy, I'd like to know about it.
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1/2'' at 200y sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. However, slug shooting airguns (especially slugs with a high BC) do show a lot of promise. Take for example this video I made with my .22 caliber FX Panthera 600mm.

FX - 4/4 at 175 yards on scope-cam! 🚀

*Rotate mobile device horizontally for full screen
www.airgunnation.com www.airgunnation.com

I successfully hit all 4 gongs in succession at 175y. I was planning on shooting 200y, but the rain (and a huge puddle behind me) had other plans. I was shooting 30.5g slugs about 980 FPS, and it was rather windy.

-Michael
 
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My Impact MK2 is set up as a 25Cal slugger and it does consistent sub moa (barely). I also realize it is a unicorn. 200yds is the furthest I have tested it and would feel comfortable taking a CA ground squirrel. The furthest I have actually done so as of now is 155yds.

My main varmint PB is a consistent 0.25moa and there is no way I can get 1/2" groups at 200yds. It pushes varmint pills at well over 4000fps, and I consider myself a good shot.
 
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johnwoitalla said:
I was talking to a guy today that told me his buddy consistently makes 200+ yard headshots on ground squirrels. I told him I could I only do that with my 204/223 powder burner(and even then, not consistently). He said the guy is making 0.25" to 0.50" five shot groups at 200yds. I believe the shooter is using an FX custom 25 cal with with heavy slugs. The shooter said(we talked to him on the phone) that he is shooting at 1100+ ft/sec, so it is subsonic, but I don't remember what weight slugs he was shooting. I invited him to my gun range to show me because even though I don't think it is impossible, I just feel that with my experiences and seeing people shooting high end powder burning varmint rifles, it just seems rather improbable. I am no fan of eating crow, but I'm willing to eat a whole plate full just to see this guy shoot a couple of sub moa 5 shot groups at 200yds with an air rifle with consistency. If you know of people achieving this sort of accuracy, I'd like to know about it.
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Isn’t MOA at 200 yards around 2” or less? MOA is one thing, but 0.5” at 200 with an airgun? Get that on video if he shows up - win, lose, or draw.
 
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1/2" at 100 yards is nearly impossible and Very very few can or ever will ever achieve that accuracy with any degree of consistency.
To state that at 200 yards is a smoke show BS story ... IMO
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Totally agree. I'd take the bet for a Benjamin if I were him. No way is he shooting 1/8 to 1/4 MOA at 200 yards. Minute of Squirrel is about 1/2 MOA at 200 yards, and a head shot is even less. I hope he's very hungry, since he'll be munching on that crow for quite a while...
 
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If you shoot 30 shots at squirrels heads at 200 yards and get three squirrel, I guess one could claim they consistently hit squirrels in the head at 200. Real easy to brag when nobody is there physically watching. That’s an admirable thing about competition shooters, everyone is watching live. No editing. No exaggerating.
 
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johnwoitalla said:
I was talking to a guy today that told me his buddy consistently makes 200+ yard headshots on ground squirrels. I told him I could I only do that with my 204/223 powder burner(and even then, not consistently). He said the guy is making 0.25" to 0.50" five shot groups at 200yds. I believe the shooter is using an FX custom 25 cal with with heavy slugs. The shooter said(we talked to him on the phone) that he is shooting at 1100+ ft/sec, so it is subsonic, but I don't remember what weight slugs he was shooting. I invited him to my gun range to show me because even though I don't think it is impossible, I just feel that with my experiences and seeing people shooting high end powder burning varmint rifles, it just seems rather improbable. I am no fan of eating crow, but I'm willing to eat a whole plate full just to see this guy shoot a couple of sub moa 5 shot groups at 200yds with an air rifle with consistency. If you know of people achieving this sort of accuracy, I'd like to know about it.
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Definately stroke their ego and ask if you can go and watch next time.

Maybe graciously offer to buy them a beer afterwards if they succeed.

& then laugh in their face when they're having a bad day....
 
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