Skout Airguns Tech Tuesday - HP Reg Update
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I have spoken with Darryl about this.
In my rifle, i am holding pressure and air just fine.
My question to him was "do i need to replace that part with the brass piece?"
I was told that if there was a problem in the HP, i would have noticed it after a few fills ..therefore, it is not an immediate need to replace this part.
He added, "in the future, when you put in an order at Skout, remind us about the brass piece and they will send it, but there will be a shipping charge."
In my rifle, i am holding pressure and air just fine.
My question to him was "do i need to replace that part with the brass piece?"
I was told that if there was a problem in the HP, i would have noticed it after a few fills ..therefore, it is not an immediate need to replace this part.
He added, "in the future, when you put in an order at Skout, remind us about the brass piece and they will send it, but there will be a shipping charge."
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It's only if your reg sticks. So if you air up your gun after storing it and when you pull the trigger nothing happens. That means your valve is stuck. There is a setting in the menu to unstick it, but better to never get it stuck in the first place! -Epoch Owner
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Actually that piece has nothing to do with the valve sticking, since its a part of the HP reg. Since Skout took the initiative to replace the -009 oring 90 duro with a -009 X ring Buna N, plus this new upgrade from the sintered metal "spacer?" to the brass spacer piece, the consistency and linearity of the HP reg should be very good... The valve "sticking" is something I haven't noticed, and I've had an Epoch for over 1 1/2 years and an Evo for 9 months. I know at least 8 other shooters personally that have a Skout and none of them have noticed valve sticking either...
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Kieth at Skout has been quick to respond to me and sent me that brass piece which arrived in 4 days, included the weekend. My EVO still leaks though after installing it yesterday morning, which I told to Kieth about. Now he's sending me the entire HP reg assembly to see if that fixes the problem. If it doesn't the gun will likely be going back to the company for repair or replacement.
Question for you all, what is a good liquid solution to use that I can apply to surfaces to find exactly where a leak is coming out? One that won't cause rust or damage OR's. Near as I can tell the leak in my gun is coming from the HP reg but I'd like to make sure. Or maybe it's coming from two different places??
Also how do I know if the valve is sticking?
Question for you all, what is a good liquid solution to use that I can apply to surfaces to find exactly where a leak is coming out? One that won't cause rust or damage OR's. Near as I can tell the leak in my gun is coming from the HP reg but I'd like to make sure. Or maybe it's coming from two different places??
Also how do I know if the valve is sticking?
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100% Silicon oil to find the leaks worked for me
if the valve is sticking, you would not be able to complete a shot cycle…pull the trigger and nothing happens. Might have your dwel time set too low.
This is different from the “hiccup ” or what seems And sounds like a double shot. This does not have any effect on FPS or POI, but it does kinda give you a shock when you hear it. I was told it has something to do with the valve..will not effect anything but your nerves
if the valve is sticking, you would not be able to complete a shot cycle…pull the trigger and nothing happens. Might have your dwel time set too low.
This is different from the “hiccup ” or what seems And sounds like a double shot. This does not have any effect on FPS or POI, but it does kinda give you a shock when you hear it. I was told it has something to do with the valve..will not effect anything but your nerves
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Exactly, Troy. This post by Skout is a perfect example I’ve given to many folks that have recently asked me my thoughts and opinions on investing in a Skout, and moving away from platforms they have been “comfortable “ with. I know of no other that publicly announces a design upgrade to the public and offers to make it right. In the past, one had to either wait for the new model to come out to learn about upgrades or find out thru a “he said she said” or “the word on the street is…” kind of deal
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@ STEVE123:
As far as finding leaks, I’ve tried many types including electronic beep detectors, which only work best if it’s a substantial leak. Same with the CRC spray foam that already has bubbles that make it difficult to find small leaks, and those foam detectors leave a mess.
What’s worked the best for me, is the gas leak detection fluid from Home Depot made by Oatey’s. Blue in color, and I use tiny sponge tip swabs(the type women use to color up their eye lashes with), that I dip in the leak detection fluid and apply it onto all the different potential leak points in a pcp. Since I’m applying tiny droplets at a time I use a flashlight to help spot the tiniest of bubbling from a leak. Clean up is easy with isopropyl alcohol when done
As far as finding leaks, I’ve tried many types including electronic beep detectors, which only work best if it’s a substantial leak. Same with the CRC spray foam that already has bubbles that make it difficult to find small leaks, and those foam detectors leave a mess.
What’s worked the best for me, is the gas leak detection fluid from Home Depot made by Oatey’s. Blue in color, and I use tiny sponge tip swabs(the type women use to color up their eye lashes with), that I dip in the leak detection fluid and apply it onto all the different potential leak points in a pcp. Since I’m applying tiny droplets at a time I use a flashlight to help spot the tiniest of bubbling from a leak. Clean up is easy with isopropyl alcohol when done
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It was at 150 psi and then when I saw you ask this I turned it up to 180 to see if it would help, and nope.
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Steve disassemble your LP reg and check that tiny bugger sized(a healthy bugger, if I may)plastic seal. Yours may be hammered or installed incorrectly. In your spares box with all the seals look for a plastic bugger sized rod with a step in to it. That’s the seal that goes into the LP reg. Originally Skout used a white material but has since changed to a better material that a clearish green in color. The correct way to insert it is large side in as shown in my sketch notes
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My initial solenoid leaking problem was due to a bad gauge. I had too much pressure going to the solenoid. It can only handle so much then it leaks. Now I set my HPR where I know I want it. Then walk the LPR up until the gun fires. HPR 1,900, LPR 160. Gun is fine. After visiting them at the shop, I saw how they check for leaks. I’ve done it in the past as a last resort. With this gun and their confidence in it, it’s how I checked mine when figuring out the solenoid issue. Have a compressor ready with the air pressure turned down and initiate ye ole dunking booth. Yes it’s an electronic gun, but it’s not a toaster in a bathtub. I wouldn’t dunk the grip simply because there will never be a need to.
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I have sent Skout an email asking about the filter replacement part, as I have been suffering from inconsistency and a slow leak, but as I am in the UK I wonder if I will get a reply as others have fell on deaf ears.
If I didn't keep my ear to the ground on here, I would never know of any updates.
Interesting about the LP seal material change as I was sent an updated reg (due to other problems with the gun) with the later seal and fitted it and found I had a leak so changed it back and not leak....at least from the LP reg side.
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I'm kinda mad because the reg assembly for my EVO, which was supposed to be sent out last Thursday wasn't sent out, instead being forgotten about, which I discovered happened a few minutes ago when I called asking of it's whereabouts.
I asked for 2nd day shipping this time.
This failed reg dilemma has gone on for much of 3 weeks now and it's testing my patience.
I asked for 2nd day shipping this time.
This failed reg dilemma has gone on for much of 3 weeks now and it's testing my patience.
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Good news!
Kieth did send the new reg assembly out with 2nd day shipping, I installed it today, and it worked fine. I filled the gun to 4000 psi but right away I discovered there was also a leak coming from the bottle gauge so I tightened it down a tad which fixed that leak.
I shot 30 rounds of 22 cal 32.2 grain Altaros slugs down the barrel and got the velocity to 828 fps/49 fpe by bringing down both regs. This is because a UFT match I intend to start using this EVO in has a max fpe limit of 50 fpe. 25 yard groups in 12 mph winds coming from behind me were 1/4", just ragged holes so I was happy about that.
Advice please. I have the 15.75 twist 600mm LW barrel.
I imagine the LP reg is somewhat insignificant as far as air usage, yes or no? So I should mostly concentrate on the HP reg to get the velocity I want with these slugs? I guess I'm asking what the best balance is for both regs settings to work together the most efficiently with regard to achieving the lowest SD, and a priority of having the highest shot count at 49 fpe?? HP is aprox 1750 and LP is approx 145.
And how about dwell time, I have it set at 20 right now just to start low to work my way up. How does dwell affect everything in relation to the regs and the velocities? Is dwell like lock time in a firearm? Faster dwell, faster lock time?
I suppose I should start off with a calm day and index the barrel before I carry on with the regs and the dwell??
Thanks for any help.
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I’m far from an expert but I have been spending considerable time with my gun. Looking at your reg numbers, you are done playing with the LPR. Now as you mess with the HPR, the LPR will follow automatically. I shoot .30 with the dwell at 23 and I shoot .22 with the dwell on 20. I’m not a big “numbers” guy. I’m a holes in paper guy. If the groups are tiny at the distances I plan to shoot, the numbers will be what they are. There are plenty of guys who are mystified when their accuracy doesn’t match their tiny ES. That’s because they focused on the wrong thing first.
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I left my Epock filled to about 1500psi for two+ days, just to check the overall system...yeah, for leaks. It lost 1000psi, in that 2+ days. As verified with a piece of tape on the gauge face.
I refilled, shot a few rounds, down to 1500psi again, let it sit for about two more days, a solid 1500psi this time.
Mike
I refilled, shot a few rounds, down to 1500psi again, let it sit for about two more days, a solid 1500psi this time.
Mike
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Thanks. I'm kinda the same way and I've seen the exact same thing trying to achieve the lowest ES in my Thomas HPX. I'm striving for that "optimal balance" of attributes with precision as #1. I have almost a month before my first match with it to find the best combinations.
What do you mean by the LPR will follow automatically?
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