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SKOUT Tesla Moderator
SKOUT Tesla Moderator is designed after the Nikola Tesla valve design and will significally silence your SKOUT air rifle, for sale at High Pressure Pneumatics
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The basic premise of the design is to use Nikola Tesla’s Gas Diode to reflex air back on itself and stop forward flow in the moderator. The moderator uses a three-stage system. First the air is stripped off the pellet, reducing turbulence and improving accuracy. Second it is delayed via compound gas diodes. Finally, a damping system muffles the sound. Most moderator designs focus on one of two capabilities, either sound wave damping or flow delaying, and this is copied the entire length of the moderator. Why though should the sound and flow at the back of the moderator be the same as at the front? It didn't make sense to us either, thus the design adapts along its length to maximize sound attenuation at a given flow level while minimizing size and weight.
The basic premise of the design is to use Nikola Tesla’s Gas Diode to reflex air back on itself and stop forward flow in the moderator. The moderator uses a three-stage system. First the air is stripped off the pellet, reducing turbulence and improving accuracy. Second it is delayed via compound gas diodes. Finally, a damping system muffles the sound. Most moderator designs focus on one of two capabilities, either sound wave damping or flow delaying, and this is copied the entire length of the moderator. Why though should the sound and flow at the back of the moderator be the same as at the front? It didn't make sense to us either, thus the design adapts along its length to maximize sound attenuation at a given flow level while minimizing size and weight.
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STO or Skout? Who's got the deepest pocket for lawyers fees? Cuz that's who wins this one, as has often occurred in other "acquisitions" of concepts in the airgun industry.
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Skout/Smart Parts sued a lot of paintball companies in the late 90's over their patent on electronic trigger/switch... and won.
They are extremely knowledgeable and aggressive when it comes to 'patent' laws.
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Not familiar with any details there....generally speaking, he who has the deepest pockets for lawyers fees is usually the "winner" in situations like this. With the "winner" not necessarily being who was the originator of the concept or idea or design.
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Correct. If STO has a patent in place, then they win all day.
If it's proven to be a duplicate of their design that is. All it takes is to shape something different or change the wording in the description to be considered a different product and therefore eligible for a patent.
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I was simply responding to a post about deep pockets.
You may be correct, but I wouldn't be so sure.
I am not picking on Skout. I like the company. They are good for paintball and will be good for moving air gun technology forward, but in business, they can be quite ruthless.
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Interesting rip on Silent Thunder Ord. but let's be honest, it's not like STO invented the wheel here, Nikolai Tesla did.
I think the meat of it will be how the diodes are constructed. If you've ever been inside a STO moderator they are all soft bits and foam construction. Can Skout do this with a more solid medium? Time will tell.
I think the meat of it will be how the diodes are constructed. If you've ever been inside a STO moderator they are all soft bits and foam construction. Can Skout do this with a more solid medium? Time will tell.
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Any idea when these will be available? Would you need one for each caliber, or are they configurable?
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Actually this is a true statement for the Most part.
Unfortunately, all it takes is a 10% design change to get around Any patent, which is BullS@!t but that is today's world ....
I paid the HEFTY price tag for a couple of patents on some of my early parts, It was a very rude awakening when the knock off crap starting showing up...
I thought I had done everything possible, and I did, to keep the rights to the parts.. The joke was on me and my bank account....
A patent is Not worth the paper it is written on, unless you have more money than God, a Pack of Savage Lawyers, and you don't mind pissing off more money than most people will see in a lifetime defending said patents...
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You can order it right now on their site. They have them for each caliber.
SKOUT Airguns – Tesla Valve Moderator – SKOUT AIRGUNS
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I had a really long winded reply written but erased it and will only share this thought on moderators, which is still...long winded lol.
Airguns at their optimal power levels and tuned efficiently release around 1cc per 10 FPE at 2,000 psi in the modest power range of 20-60 fpe. For a 40 FPE airgun that is around 4cc of air at 2,000 psi.
Releasing 4cc's of air at shy of 2,000 psi into a .25 cal barrel of 20" in length which is roughly 12.5 cc's of volume, the barrels pressure towards the muzzle end then becomes roughly 575 PSI, which rapidly empties into and through your moderator at over 9,000 inches per second... where moderators are then able to work their magic but must do so quickly, as we're working with milliseconds before air reaches the end of its journey. The air then takes its final exit from the moderators bore into atmospheric air, where you'll have roughly 50-250 psi evacuating into 12-14 psi depending on your elevation. All that to say, once at atmospheric pressure, the total volume discharged from the 40 fpe airgun which was once 4cc's at 2,000 psi, becomes roughly 500 cc's of air once equalized with the Earth's atmosphere, the same volume as many larger airgun tanks in their entirety!
Handling the expansion of air going from 12~ cc's at 500-600 psi to 500 cc's at 14 psi quietly is quite the tall task. Airguns allow a lot of different approaches with their design due to their lower operating pressures. Sure is exciting to see on-going research and development being done here for the industry /community.
-Matt
Airguns at their optimal power levels and tuned efficiently release around 1cc per 10 FPE at 2,000 psi in the modest power range of 20-60 fpe. For a 40 FPE airgun that is around 4cc of air at 2,000 psi.
Releasing 4cc's of air at shy of 2,000 psi into a .25 cal barrel of 20" in length which is roughly 12.5 cc's of volume, the barrels pressure towards the muzzle end then becomes roughly 575 PSI, which rapidly empties into and through your moderator at over 9,000 inches per second... where moderators are then able to work their magic but must do so quickly, as we're working with milliseconds before air reaches the end of its journey. The air then takes its final exit from the moderators bore into atmospheric air, where you'll have roughly 50-250 psi evacuating into 12-14 psi depending on your elevation. All that to say, once at atmospheric pressure, the total volume discharged from the 40 fpe airgun which was once 4cc's at 2,000 psi, becomes roughly 500 cc's of air once equalized with the Earth's atmosphere, the same volume as many larger airgun tanks in their entirety!
Handling the expansion of air going from 12~ cc's at 500-600 psi to 500 cc's at 14 psi quietly is quite the tall task. Airguns allow a lot of different approaches with their design due to their lower operating pressures. Sure is exciting to see on-going research and development being done here for the industry /community.
-Matt
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Available currently on our website as well as your favorite airgun dealer! They are caliber specific, but you’re welcome to go with the largest caliber you have and they still work pretty well with smaller calibers!
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Yes, if you find success, there is no stopping the imports from flooding the market. You can go bankrupt trying to stop the import. If you stop one, another one pops up the following week..
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I believe they are only inserts for the Skout moderator on their guns. Not moderators themselves.
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These have 1 3/8-16 threads and are made to slip into our standard moderator housing. They’re made of carbon fiber PETG.
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