No exclusion, just additional class as stated. The club I shoot at is doing this. Running the ASA Pellet BR100 and then an open slug BR100 class as well. Can shoot one or both, up to you.
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Slug Class for 100y Benchrest - Interested?
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Maybe everyone looking for long range accuracy could sell their airguns and just shoot powder burners. The powder burners are cheaper and already have competitions in place.
I've already been there and done that. It's all relative BTW.
With every projectile sending system out there comes a limit in precision and accuracy by a distance based primarily on BC and fps.
I hit steel 2500Y with my 375CT and that's not very far in ELR these days, there's plenty of steam left here. I think the record is 7000Y-ish nowadays.
Hit Steel with a big 30 cal out to 2356Y but it was petered out pretty bad.
Hit steel just short of 2000Y with a 6.5 and it was also petered out.
Outshot some big guns with a 6x47L at 1350Y, and it still had some steam but by 1 mile it's petered out.
Heck I was hitting a 2'x3' plate at 1153Y with a 20 cal Vartarg AI. WAAAY petered out, lol!
500Y with my 22rf which is getting stupid for a cartridge that has such high ES.
It's enough fun hitting steel inside 400Y with a pcp and slugs, is WAAAAY cheaper to do that, and is much more convenient to do so, and ES is low too.
The best qaulity 22rf ammo nowadays is $25 a box of 50, which is insane!
Pellets kind of suck by 80Y or so and getting worse by the yard. Low BC........
Additionally the main reason 100Y using pellets is happening in comps is because AOA ordered a bazillion targets for what used to be 75 yard benchrest matches meant for pellets and thought that 100Y would be cooler(marketing) and it was cheaper to use last years EBR targets, causing all the other big matches to copy cat this sillyness.
In other words a 250 score is really hard but possible at 75Y using pellets but pretty much impossible at 100Y.
Whereas a 250 using slugs it's possible to get a 250Y at 100Y though also really hard to do. Mind you 25Y makes a big difference. I bet it wouldn't take very many tries for Mike N of Thomas Air to do a 250Y on a calm morning?? Just last week he sent me a pic of a N50@50Y, 250/24x using his slugs.
My point is to shoot at distances and target sizes appropriate for pellets while doing the same thing appropriate for slugs.
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Have you thought maybe the slug thing is just manufactures pushing something new so they can make sales goals. Slugs working is very much a hit and miss thing, a given that any one slug isn't great in every gun by one manufacture. FX makes slugs and they aren't the best slug to shoot out of an FX. I have a large pile of slugs that work as good as throwing sand at a target. There are so many manufactures in the game because the tooling is many times simpler and infinitely cheaper. Combine that with the manufacture charging much more then pellets it equals profit.
EBR is the only comp that still uses 75 yards and you should hear the crying that it isn't out at 100yds. Still no one has scored a 250 at 75yds. I would much rather do comps at 50 yards with tiny targets shooting off bucket and sticks. I can sit there lobing long bombs out there to ring the steel, sure it can be fun but I see it more as chance then skill.
Many sports like to keep jacking up the odds to compete. I raced xc mtn bikes and everyone turned racing along trails into jumps and high speed descents with high priced cost for mistakes and thrills. Take RMAC it use to be 100yd, 50yd, and speed - now it is 100yds and PRS stunt shooting and Speed is really fast prs stunt shooting. Even by your calculations shooting 100 yards with a pellet is stunt shooting. The question I would put out for everyone is it excellence or stunts you want in competition shooting?
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We'll see in a month or so in Oregon. We have a 100Y Slug EBR type event. Last year a 236 won, but this year it'll probably be higher. The winds in Oregon are usually tougher than RMAC or EBR... My guess is the top 3 scores will be over 240 unless the winds are even more challenging than normal. 90% of the shooters plan on using .22 Altaros King 40 grain slugs @Altaros . Calm mornings and real-world competition in windy conditions are apples and oranges...
As far as 100Y and pellets, I see nothing wrong with winning scores being in the 235-240 range (currently). What's the issue? Is it that important for shooters to score 250's and decide on number of X's? A score is a score, whether 238-7x or 250-12x. You're still scoring equally against other shooters.
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I'm aware of that but IMHO with pellets that's about as close as they are going to get, unless it's very very calm out and the stars align, well maybe if somehow a higher BC pellet comes about. The new heavy 30 cal pellets have a higher BC than the old MRD's so this helps out.
I once shot a 244 in practice(35 cal plug) with 22 cal MRD's, using my Thomas HPX, and it would have been higher except for one huge flyer. However the next card was IIRC 230-ish, and this is the typical thing that I see that happens with pellets. The next day I couldn't break into 220's because of a medium wind.
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Yes marketing and sales is part of the push of popularity with slugs and I agree that there a bunch of airguns, barrels, twist rates, diameters, slug designs, and tunes, which don't go well together.
On the other hand there has also been fantastic success with slugs, because I've experienced it, and I know people who have had similar experiences.
Back a few years Mike N shot more than a few groups at 200Y in the .6 MOA area using his custom swaged slugs. His new slug guns, barrels, maybe slugs too??, are much improved and more consistent than back then.
Isn't it the EBR qualifier that's done at 75Y then the main event is at 100Y. Been 3 years since I attended so.....
Ha, I like to watch Redbul Rampage and the downhill MTB events. It's crazy what those guys and gals do these days. I ride EMTB nowadays and actually love bike parks except I'm constrained to blue and single black trails. I can do table top jumps up to 25 feet or so, and clear them, which is a blast!
PRS and NRL style comps are the new thing as of the last decade and slugs make it easier to do by quite a margin compared to pellets. I remember shooting these comps at RMAC using the 34 gr pellets and it was tough going because they dupilcated the NRL22 stages. So much easier with a rimfire!!!
Pellet at .054 BC going 900 fps compared to .16 BC at 1060 fps.
I used to shoot NRL22 and liked it but I'm kinda aged out. The writing was on the wall when my younger friend showed up with his 20 pound Vudoo and when I tried it I thought to myself, nope I'm tapping out because of that and a few more reasons.
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As far as 100Y and pellets, I see nothing wrong with winning scores being in the 235-240 range (currently). What's the issue? Is it that important for shooters to score 250's and decide on number of X's? A score is a score, whether 238-7x or 250-12x. You're still scoring equally against other shooters.
It doesn't bother me any because that's the current EBR 100Y game and besides that it's one I don't play anymore. Just my opinion and how I think.
I was just making the point about slugs and BC's being more appropriate if a 250 score was the goal at 100Y and explaining why I thought so.
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I think this year at EBR there’s a good chance someone will shoot a 250 at the 75Y qualification relays.
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That 244 was a great card. And that was 4 years ago.
The current “world record” in a major competition is Thayne Simmons at RMAC finals last year with a 240.
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