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I am looking to mount a scope on my HW35 springer and it is my first springer so I have some questions.
1. Due to the recoil is it necessary to limit the size and weight of the scope I choose? Currently own a Vortex Crossfire 6-18 X 44 on my pcp that I like but I wonder if I should go smaller and lighter on a springer.
2. It looks like the Sportsmatch rings with the retaining pin are the ones I need and I read recommendations for the TO2C and TO4C, the difference being either single or double screw. Do I need to go with double on a springer.
3. I also want a diopter option and I am looking at the Air Venturi Williams diopter and need to know if it will work with the HW35 front sight.
Thanks for any help.
 
The one screw rings will work on the 35 as it is <12FPE, at this power level you can also get by with some scopes that are not springer rated, i.e the Hawke Vantage. If you want extra insurance get the the two screw rings and a springer rated scope. I have TO2C rings on my HW50 .20cal. and it's been fine, I do have a Hawke Airmax on it.
 
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I ise a heavy athlon Talos to a lite gamo package scope . Only thing i noticed is the heavy scope just makes the gun feel a tad top heavy .. then i asdume the heavy scope would give the recoil more inertia so best mounting practice needed. ( your trying for that anyway)

On the stop pin i found one that fits the hole best works best .

I got mounts with a skinny small diameter pin and found i make a bushing to make up the pin to hole size i got better less isdue mounting . Snugg pin fit made less chance of movement + saves receiver damage if the pin hammers the hole out .

I call it a receiver saver ©® tm..2021

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Honestly i never went with a single screw ring cap. Just for your reason. I just feel you have to get a better grip with 4 screws per cap then 2. Lol

Ya, scoping a springer is a experience.
 
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One thing i got into was i got the scope clearances from the scope site then same for the mount .

Ok it all adds up no clearance issues mount it all up and go ..

Get the scope in and a base and starting putting the scope in the mount and somthing was off ..

Oh look this bong thing eas not accounted for and would not clear / bumped the base . Errrrrr...

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Lucky i had another med base that was a mm or 2 taller for that bong/ plug thing to clear ..
 
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Hateful McNasty said:
I ise a heavy athlon Talos to a lite gamo package scope . Only thing i noticed is the heavy scope just makes the gun feel a tad top heavy .. then i asdume the heavy scope would give the recoil more inertia so best mounting practice needed. ( your trying for that anyway)

On the stop pin i found one that fits the hole best works best .

I got mounts with a skinny small diameter pin and found i make a bushing to make up the pin to hole size i got better less isdue mounting . Snugg pin fit made less chance of movement + saves receiver damage if the pin hammers the hole out .

I call it a receiver saver ©® tm..2021

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Honestly i never went with a single screw ring cap. Just for your reason. I just feel you have to get a better grip with 4 screws per cap then 2. Lol

Ya, scoping a springer is a experience.
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Yep, when I first got my HW50S I noticed that the small diameter stop pin was battering the back edge of the stop pin hole, and I ended up doing the the same as you. Turned stainless bushings on the lathe for both the 50S and my HW98. Problem solved.
 
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jccams said:
The one screw rings will work on the 35 as it is <12FPE, at this power level you can also get by with some scopes that are not springer rated, i.e the Hawke Vantage. If you want extra insurance get the the two screw rings and a springer rated scope. I have TO2C rings on my HW50 .20cal. and it's been fine, I do have a Hawke Airmax on it.
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I don't know if Hawke changed their design or something, but I have two Vantage scopes, a fixed 4X AO and a 2-7 AO, and the specs for each say that they are springer rated. The 4X is on my Diana 48 and the 2-7 on my HW98. I've put well over 1000 rounds through both guns and I've not had any problems with either scope.
 
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Northwoods22 said:
I have two Hawke Vantage scopes. A fixed 4X AO and a 2-7 AO. The specs for each say that they are springer rated. The 4X is on my Diana 48 and the 2-7 on my HW98. I've put well over 1000 rounds through both guns and I've not had any problems with either scope.
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Ya, but 1000 rounds is like 2 weeks of shooting weather permitting here. I burn through tins of cphp
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Them ones i yet to paint black to shoot as long range bulls..

I figure scoped i may do 6000 a year between guns i mount it on and one is a Gamo.22.

So anyways a1000+ or so rounds dont give me much of durability standard. Heck i got a gamo package scope exceeds that.
 
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Northwoods22 said:
I don't know if Hawke changed their design or something, but I have two Vantage scopes, a fixed 4X AO and a 2-7 AO, and the specs for each say that they are springer rated. The 4X is on my Diana 48 and the 2-7 on my HW98. I've put well over 1000 rounds through both guns and I've not had any problems with either scope.
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My understanding is Hawke claims their Vantage line is springer rated up to 12fpe.
 
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Hateful McNasty said:
Ya, but 1000 rounds is like 2 weeks of shooting weather permitting here. I burn through tins of cphp
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Them ones i yet to paint black to shoot as long range bulls..

I figure scoped i may do 6000 a year between guns i mount it on and one is a Gamo.22.

So anyways a1000+ or so rounds dont give me much of durability standard. Heck i got a gamo package scope exceeds that.
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Regardless of the number of rounds, the specs for both scopes specifically say that they are made to withstand even the heaviest
of springer recoil.
 
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I may be misunderstanding which peep sights you are looking at, but this "Air Venturi" sight will NOT work. It is a Williams model 5D-SH, intended for Sheridan and Benjamin pump-up rifles. There is no way to attach it to an HW 35.
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This sight WILL work. It has an adjustable mount for grooved receivers such as the 35's. But note it has simple sliding adjustments and not click knobs. It is a Williams model 5D-AG.
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The best Williams sight for barrel-cocking airguns is this one. It has the adjustable mount, plus click adjustments which work via flush screws (model FP-AG), or knurled finger knobs (model FP-AG TK).
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You also use a proper match diopter sight on the HW 35. These are larger but very precisely-adjusting units that can take all kinds of useful accessories.

My personal favorites are: 1) Weihrauch's own traditional sight. The big thumbwheel on top is a locating stud which matches up with those holes in the top of the receiver:
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And 2) Anschutz sights. They also fit the HW 35's 11mm groove spacing. I love these, compact and precise:
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This is a nice choice for the HW35 if you want a quality optic. They go for under $200. I have this setup on several springers. The one scope that refused to keep a consistent POI I created an RMA on Hawke's website and had a new scope two weeks later. Great warranty.

us.hawkeoptics.com

Airmax 2-7x32 AO AMX

Specialist scopes designed by airgunners for airgunners! Airmax scopes feature our H2 optics in a variety of configurations designed to suit airgun characteristics. Capped Low-Profile Turrets. 1 Inch Mono-Tube Chassis. Wide Angle. 16 Layer Fully Multi-Coated Lenses. High Torque Zoom Ring. Fast...
us.hawkeoptics.com us.hawkeoptics.com

This drooper mount fits perfectly with about 2 mm between the rail and scope. A little pricey but you get what you pay for.

www.bkltech.com

BKL-260 Drop Compensated - 200 Series 1'' Scope Mounts - BKLTech.com

Model 260 is the strongest of the BKL scope mounts. With a sturdy 4 inches of clamp length and 6 dovetail clamp screws, this unitized mount is hard to beat. Model 260 is perfect for magnum airguns and semi-auto rimfire actions.
www.bkltech.com
 
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MDriskill said:
I may be misunderstanding which peep sights you are looking at, but this "Air Venturi" sight will NOT work. It is a Williams model 5D-SH, intended for Sheridan and Benjamin pump-up rifles. There is no way to attach it to an HW 35.
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This sight WILL work. It has an adjustable mount for grooved receivers such as the 35's. But note it has simple sliding adjustments and not click knobs. It is a Williams model 5D-AG.
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The best Williams sight for barrel-cocking airguns is this one. It has the adjustable mount, plus click adjustments which work via flush screws (model FP-AG), or knurled finger knobs (model FP-AG TK).
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I have the FP-AG-TK on a CZ rimfire so I put it on my 35 after reading this. It worked great, and was even very close to zeroed. Does it need to have the attaching screws be secured by loctite to stay on the rail on recoil?
Also, do you know a source for front sight inserts for the 35?
 
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HW has sold the same set of 6 basic inserts since dinosaurs roamed the earth. Unfortunately it's a proprietary design, I'm not aware of another brand that fits, or of any aftermarket alternatives. I think Pyramyd sells the sets, or you may bump into them on a classifieds site, etc.
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If you are so inclined, this is another great spot for old Anschutz sights. They not only made a much greater variety of factory inserts - posts, "lollipops," rings in different styles and sizes (pic is just a small selection!) - but use a slighter larger securing sleeve (18mm vs. HW's 17mm), for which many aftermarket accessories are availble. They drop right onto HW's front rails and center up perfectly. This simple older style is pretty common auction site fodder, and not too pricey.
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When mounting the Williams sights, de-grease everything well and yes, use a light grade of Loctite or similar on the threads. Follow the factory instructions carefully, alternating tightening the top and side screws, to properly tension the base, and hold the clamp bar up flat beneath it. I also like to take out the little side grub screws, stone their contact ends flat, and place a tiny dab of dry lithium grease there. This gives you a better feel for the real amount of force on the screw, and avoids their rough ends chewing into the small aluminum clamp bar.
 
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shadowbane.snafoo said:
I have a Gamo Swarm Whisper that came with a scope. It came pre-zeroed.
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I guess i never had a pre zeroed mounted scope out of the box.. my gamos the scope and mount were in a separate box in the guns box to be installed and zeroed.

But to me the optics on springers is a you buy , you try, and hope it dont make you cry .. they hold up well or they dont.. ..
 
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