Hi. New to PCP air guns and I have a .22 Benjamin Marauder which I really like. I have not done anything to the rifle and shot 3 magazines per fill (from 3000 down to 2000 PSI). I recently came across SSGs and saw how they can increase shot count, and I'd like to put one in my gun. Which SSG do you guys recommend and where can I buy it from? I did some research and did not find any obvious ready to buy options, and it seems like people make their own. Happy to consider both options but leaning to buying something ready to go versus building my own. Thanks!
Benjamin SSG for .22 Benjamin Marauder rifle
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Go to Airgun Revisions, page 4 of the parts section. I have one in my M-Rod .25, they work very well, as in worth the coin!
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If you want more shots per fill a ssg is a must imo. Without I get about 30 shots. With an ssg I get about 50 shots. You can make your own it's a lot cheaper. But if u prefer to buy pre made you can check these link
www.airgunrevisions.com
Tuned SSG De-Bouncer Hammer Kit for Benjamin Marauder - Airgun Revisions
A complete drop in kit made from Stainless Steel and specifically tuned to give your gun a flatter shot string and up to 80% better shot count. Nylon button on adjusting screw keeps it in place from vibration without harming the threads and galling from a locking screw. Kit is…
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I have built several SSGs and of several designs. The two available from AGR, the standard and the lightweight, work as well as anything I built and are actually cheaper if you factor my time and gasoline running all over and shipping from Amazon what I could not find locally.
I do like the JSAR units a little better but you actually have to buy several different items to put it together. The JSAR is a true FFH as the spring is seperate from the hammer. The AGR is a integral hammer with spring. The AGR is pretty much set up out of the package, install per his directions and go shoot. The JSAR takes a little more tuning.
If you plan to regulate, use the AGR lightweight or the JSAR. If you use a standard valve without regulator use the AGR standard.
I do like the JSAR units a little better but you actually have to buy several different items to put it together. The JSAR is a true FFH as the spring is seperate from the hammer. The AGR is a integral hammer with spring. The AGR is pretty much set up out of the package, install per his directions and go shoot. The JSAR takes a little more tuning.
If you plan to regulate, use the AGR lightweight or the JSAR. If you use a standard valve without regulator use the AGR standard.
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Thank you! I got this one: https://www.airgunrevisions.com/product/tuned-ssg-hammer-kit-for-gen12-marauders/
Two more questions:
1) What do you mean by AGR lightweight and standard? Are you referring to the springs that come with it?
2) If I have a de-pinger, can I also add a regulator or is it one or the other?
Thanks again!
Two more questions:
1) What do you mean by AGR lightweight and standard? Are you referring to the springs that come with it?
2) If I have a de-pinger, can I also add a regulator or is it one or the other?
Thanks again!
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Air Gun Revisions makes (or made) two different hammers. One is Nylon/Delrin and the other is a OE Marauder hammer converted and thus being steel is heavier of the two. Each came with an extra power spring and a standard spring.
A depinger is not needed with a regulator. It serves no purpose. Remove the depinger if regulating.
I do not use the extra power spring in my unregulated Gen 1 .25. It is making about 44 fpe average for 24 shots with the AGR hammer and the standard spring adjusted per instructions on his website. My Gen 1 .25 is ported .161 throughout but since your rifle is a .22 I do not think it would need porting, cannot say.
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Thank you! I will receive the SSG today and after I install it and so some shooting I will report back.
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Not having a .22 I cannot say how low it can be adjusted but I have ran it down on my .25 to about 30 fpe. The standard adjusgment is to install the kit and then run the adjustment screw in unti air leaks from the valve and then back of 1/8 turn to provide free flght. If you back off further the gap will increase and the fpe will drop quickly. At some point it will become inconsistent. The other solution for a low fpe rifle would be to replace the standard spring with a softer rate spring.
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This is a set-it and forget it system. My setup will also tune the valve as well giving the gun regulated consistency. All velocity settings are done with the velocity metering screw. In .22 a factory gun is capable of 16g shooting 930fps. Unmodified. Of corse can be set lower for more shot count.
This is way cheaper and less parts to go bad over an expensive regulated gun that needs machine work to match same performance.
Go to the website and have a read.
Just sent this tuned gun out today for reference. Customer may shoot 18’s as well, reason for the 928 in 16g
This is way cheaper and less parts to go bad over an expensive regulated gun that needs machine work to match same performance.
Go to the website and have a read.
Just sent this tuned gun out today for reference. Customer may shoot 18’s as well, reason for the 928 in 16g
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So this shot string and groups were shot with an Unregulated gun with just your ssn-hammer kit and no regulator? How many shots (within 2% SD) can a person get with an Unregulated 22 marauder? I just received my LW barrel unit from you and plan to add the ssg in the near future.
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I can show you documentation on REGULATED G1 or G2 Marauders that make these figures ....
.22 caliber shooting a JSB 18.1 at 865 fps for 30 fpe making 40 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
.177 caliber shooting a JSB 10.3 at 910 fps for @ 19 fpe making 95 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
*Above done WITHOUT the use of an SSG or hammer de-bounce devises and at 3k fill pressures.
Those who are currently marketing parts and pieces for M-rods are doing so on the tech or lack of realizing it, on the back of those who did the early R&D going back now 10+ years.
Now that's not discounting the effectiveness of SSG devises as there an OUTSTANDING devise that has it's place when & where correctly applied
.22 caliber shooting a JSB 18.1 at 865 fps for 30 fpe making 40 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
.177 caliber shooting a JSB 10.3 at 910 fps for @ 19 fpe making 95 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
*Above done WITHOUT the use of an SSG or hammer de-bounce devises and at 3k fill pressures.
Those who are currently marketing parts and pieces for M-rods are doing so on the tech or lack of realizing it, on the back of those who did the early R&D going back now 10+ years.
Now that's not discounting the effectiveness of SSG devises as there an OUTSTANDING devise that has it's place when & where correctly applied
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Motorhead, would it benefit to have both a regulator and an ssg?I can show you documentation on REGULATED G1 or G2 Marauders that make these figures ....
.22 caliber shooting a JSB 18.1 at 865 fps for 30 fpe making 40 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
.177 caliber shooting a JSB 10.3 at 910 fps for @ 19 fpe making 95 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
*Above done WITHOUT the use of an SSG or hammer de-bounce devises and at 3k fill pressures.
Those who are currently marketing parts and pieces for M-rods are doing so on the tech or lack of realizing it, on the back of those who did the early R&D going back now 10+ years.
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Thanks, I forget about the VMS. That is because of my four Marauder .25s only one has a VMC and that rifle is run with the VMC full out and .161 porting throughout for 24 shots at 44/46 fpe or 32 shots at 38/40 fpe, no regulator. The fpe is reduced by .5 turn out from the AGR recommended setting of 1/8 turn from contact. My other three have no VMC. Sorry I left out the VMS adjustment.
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I have played with that, tho being each type tune works around a stock weight Hammer or modestly lighter one ... ( SSG used ) ... Other using a MUCH lighter hammer with a regulator where hammers mass is so reduced it does not bounce.
As a professional tuner each gun or model / type has parameters one needs to consider when tuning for shot count and low noise etc .... Marauders is where I got or made myself educated on these effects in play.
As the Architect years ago of the use of Light hammers in regulation converted M-rods you can say i sorta wrote the book
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It’s sad you think I’m new to this? Mostly not knowing me and basing everything from GTA days which I was never apart of nore wanted to be. ( because I wasn’t a member there absolutely does not mean I wasn’t doing the same if not more with Airguns) Benjamin guys knew this, why do you think they trust me with producing prototypes, tuning ect with now production guns from them? So the notion you’re absolutely the only tuner who started everything is kinda BS.I can show you documentation on REGULATED G1 or G2 Marauders that make these figures ....
.22 caliber shooting a JSB 18.1 at 865 fps for 30 fpe making 40 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
.177 caliber shooting a JSB 10.3 at 910 fps for @ 19 fpe making 95 regulated shots with an ES inside 10 fps
*Above done WITHOUT the use of an SSG or hammer de-bounce devises and at 3k fill pressures.
Those who are currently marketing parts and pieces for M-rods are doing so on the tech or lack of realizing it, on the back of those who did the early R&D going back now 10+ years.
Now that's not discounting the effectiveness of SSG devises as there an OUTSTANDING devise that has it's place when & where correctly applied
I’m also not denying you have great skills either. As a matter of fact you might actually find we are more alike in many ways then you know.
Going back to your statement I said this setup from me is cheaper than a whole regulated design, not that it runs better. I said equal to and you actually proved it.
There is more to this Airgun community as a whole then what your personally seeing from a forum even starting from way back when. And I’m still heavily involved behind the scenes with other airgun manufacturers to this day.
Your are in an uproar because for some reason you think most Airgun development or tuning only came from a couple GTA guys from years ago? Yeah that’s absolutely not true. Some but definitely not all. I’ve been in Crosman’s morgue/valult whatever you want to call it. We call it the morgue. We meaning myself and close friends at Crosman. I’ve seen some crazy Airgun engineering that would make anyone stand up and take notice. Proud to say some of my stuff is in there. Never said anything derogatory about you ever to anyone but your statements clearly suggest you can’t play in the same sandbox.
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Why does it matter who did what first if they do not share how it is done in detail nor market it? Boeing or Airbus did not invent the airplane. The Wright Bros. never built an airliner. Grand Cayon Airlines was possibly the first airline, cannot I take a ride on American to Cozumel tomorrow in Boeing 737?
If some think a SSG not necessary and can get good results without have at it. My rifles with the AGR SSG work and shoot just fine and no more hammer bounce which was an immediate boost in shot count and/or fpe. Easy drop in and no more tinkering.
Edit to add, on the VMS screw. I guess I do not see it's utility because I am not a paper puncher. I hunt and pest and thus want more shot count without compromising fpe. There is no way in Hades that I would turn that VMS inward to restrict the valve output. I am all about stopping hammer bounce and increasing shot count at a given or increased fpe. Kind of like putting a restrictor plate on a high performance engine, why not just install a smaller engine if mpg is all that is wanted.
If some think a SSG not necessary and can get good results without have at it. My rifles with the AGR SSG work and shoot just fine and no more hammer bounce which was an immediate boost in shot count and/or fpe. Easy drop in and no more tinkering.
Edit to add, on the VMS screw. I guess I do not see it's utility because I am not a paper puncher. I hunt and pest and thus want more shot count without compromising fpe. There is no way in Hades that I would turn that VMS inward to restrict the valve output. I am all about stopping hammer bounce and increasing shot count at a given or increased fpe. Kind of like putting a restrictor plate on a high performance engine, why not just install a smaller engine if mpg is all that is wanted.
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