Sumatra carbine air leak

Hello i recently purchased a used sumatra and it was holding air fine, then after the second time i put air in it start to leak very loud from the receiver right at 2800 psi then after a couple shots it stops hearing it but the leak continues slowly i fill it up at 2800 put it away and after a week is down to 1900 psi, i am a little hesitant to get t apart just because don't know what the problem may be, is this a comment problem on sumatras? someone knows what the problem may be ? 



Thank you in advance 
 
Have you addressed this issue with the seller? Hope so! I would return it if I were you. I have never heard of such a thing as you describe. They're reliable and typically the quick fill port leaks that's why most folks change them out to the Male Foster fitting. The Sumatras are super easy to work on yourself unlike many other PCPs. Try cocking it then turn the power wheel all the way to the minimum and fill it. If it's difficult to turn that wheel all the way apply more tension to that cocking lever while fully cocked and click it all the way down till it won't go any more and if it still leaks after filling then it may be a simple fix and we can proceed further if your seller won't do the right thing which he should.
 
I have a .25 rifle that I picked up used years back. I've dealt with the same problem. The gun looses around 100-150 psi over night, it airs down to about 1400 psi then holds at that pressure forever. I have not found vids showing and explaining the dismantling, or one describing the O ring sizes. Great gun very accurate and not pellet fussy. I just live with it. It sure makes me appreciate EDgun with his video assistance and a great dealer support. The Sumatra guru does not advertise on this site, and he is located in NC. I'd be interested if anyone has put a regulator in one and the results achieved.
 
A regulator will kill your max power. Better off doing the start at mid to three quarter power then up click as you shoot. Don't chop the nuts off that wild stallion. Worst case that valve seat may have just pancaked flat due to age nothing serious. I would just soak it in Alphabet org Trans quick fix for a day and just flip it around. You DO KNOW you can go to ACE to get the parts you need in the faucet and plumbing section right?
 
A regulator will kill your max power. Better off doing the start at mid to three quarter power then up click as you shoot. Don't chop the nuts off that wild stallion. Worst case that valve seat may have just pancaked flat due to age nothing serious. I would just soak it in Alphabet org Trans quick fix for a day and just flip it around. You DO KNOW you can go to ACE to get the parts you need in the faucet and plumbing section right?

Explain please!

Ed
 
A tear down video ca be found at GTA.


Go to the GTA and then pcp Gate.

In the first banner above the pcp gate you will find Korean gate.



it is full of Seneca//Sumatra posts(they are the same gun) many posts on the Seneca/Sumatra rifle and carbine and a tear down video.



Madhatter has a thread as does Shakey Sarge, who did video’s on both threads on the tear down, what to polish ect.



Roachcreek
 
The Sumatras and Careers can be so much more than just maxi-blasters; so I lament there are no regulators available for them. But that being the case, I've become pretty adept at DE-tuning them to realize their potentials as mere super-magnums. Not an easy chore mind you, the results have been nothing less than startling; in fact, unbelievable to most folks.

My latest 'detuning-Korean-maxi-blasters-to-mere-super-magnums' success is my .25 Sumatra rifle that not only shoots with the finest, most expensive regulated PCPs modern manufacturing and marketing can muster, but in fact outshoots them! In its last Bench-rest Silhouette competition The Beast prevailed over such heady competition as .30 Uragans and FX Impacts; that competition featuring 1/10 scale silhouettes shot at 40 to 100 yards from bench-rest in real-world wind conditions.

De-"tuning" the Sumatras and Careers typically involves cutting the hammer-spring 1" to 1.5" shorter, reassembling and chronograph testing (usually several times) until you find the maximum power level desired, and the sweet-spot charge pressure required to return a bell-curve power-band of (in my case) competition-worthy shots of no more than about 30 FPS extreme spread. It's a time-consuming process, but literally transforms a one-trick pony into a quarter-horse! As taken from my testing results- 

.25 Sam Yang Sumatra lever-action PCP repeater

33.95gr JSB, 2450 PSI, 26 shot powerband- Low= 893, Hi= 925, ES= 32, SD= 5, Average= 910 FPS/63.1 FP

These excellent numbers came after shortening and moly-lubing the hammer-spring.

7/17/2019- 12 consecutive six-shot groups with 33.95 JSBs averaged 1.26” c-t-c at 100 yards. The best group measured .6o” c-t-c; the second best 100 yard group I've ever achieved with an airgun.

6/6/2020- Won the second Ranchito Robinson Airgun BRS match with a 34/40, including ten-in-a-row turkeys and pigs.

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the problem sounds to me like the poppet has debris in it, may have a piece of metal shaving or plastic that's causing the problem, that's where I would start.

put a balloon on the end on the barrel with end cap removed, use a rubber band wrapped around the balloon to make a good seal on the barrel, With the gun cocked and unloaded, breech closed, fill the gun with air to max fill, let set over night, if the balloon fills up with air, it's the poppet.

good luck.
 
The Sumatras and Careers can be so much more than just maxi-blasters; so I lament there are no regulators available for them. But that being the case, I've become pretty adept at DE-tuning them to realize their potentials as mere super-magnums. Not an easy chore mind you, the results have been nothing less than startling; in fact, unbelievable to most folks.

My latest 'detuning-Korean-maxi-blasters-to-mere-super-magnums' success is my .25 Sumatra rifle that not only shoots with the finest, most expensive regulated PCPs modern manufacturing and marketing can muster, but in fact outshoots them! In its last Bench-rest Silhouette competition The Beast prevailed over such heady competition as .30 Uragans and FX Impacts; that competition featuring 1/10 scale silhouettes shot at 40 to 100 yards from bench-rest in real-world wind conditions.

De-"tuning" the Sumatras and Careers typically involves cutting the hammer-spring 1" to 1.5" shorter, reassembling and chronograph testing (usually several times) until you find the maximum power level desired, and the sweet-spot charge pressure required to return a bell-curve power-band of (in my case) competition-worthy shots of no more than about 30 FPS extreme spread. It's a time-consuming process, but literally transforms a one-trick pony into a quarter-horse! As taken from my testing results- 

.25 Sam Yang Sumatra lever-action PCP repeater

33.95gr JSB, 2450 PSI, 26 shot powerband- Low= 893, Hi= 925, ES= 32, SD= 5, Average= 910 FPS/63.1 FP

These excellent numbers came after shortening and moly-lubing the hammer-spring.

7/17/2019- 12 consecutive six-shot groups with 33.95 JSBs averaged 1.26” c-t-c at 100 yards. The best group measured .6o” c-t-c; the second best 100 yard group I've ever achieved with an airgun.

6/6/2020- Won the second Ranchito Robinson Airgun BRS match with a 34/40, including ten-in-a-row turkeys and pigs.

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Hello AirNGasman

Would you mind re-posting your tuning info in a new thread about Tuning the Sumatra?

Those of us interested could then ask questions/request details without hijacking the OP's (vhag) thread about his leak

Does this make sense to you?

Am I being too formal or polite regarding the hijacking?

Ed
 
Yes Ed, your suggestion makes sense to me. I can try re-posting the Sumatra/Career information in a new forum thread, but don't know if it will pass moderator muster. Guess we'll see soon enough.

"Am I being too formal or polite regarding the hijacking?" Hardly. I'd interpret your interpretation of hijacking more like, "One man's trash is another man's treasure". Am I being too cryptic?




 
Yes Ed, your suggestion makes sense to me. I can try re-posting the Sumatra/Career information in a new forum thread, but don't know if it will pass moderator muster. Guess we'll see soon enough.

"Am I being too formal or polite regarding the hijacking?" Hardly. I'd interpret your interpretation of hijacking more like, "One man's trash is another man's treasure". Am I being too cryptic?





Thanks AirNGasman

Looking forward to your Sumatra post

Cryptic!!!

What's that

Let me treasure your trash, & I'll let you trash my treasure