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SUPER DEAL ON HALF PRICE CRIMSON TRACE SAME JAPAN FACTORY AS NIGHTFORCE!!!
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according to some people on internet crimson bought nikon’s scope division so all the crimson scopes are Philippine Nikon scopes. Not bad scopes just not Japan scopes, low volume high end scopes won’t make nearly as much money as high volume low price scopes with crazy margins.
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After I read your post I was very interested in the Hawke Frontier but then went to the search function where you said this:
Should be the same factory because they are still ALL CHINESE! I think the Frontiers are way overpriced IMHO. I bought just one just to try and thats that!
It's real close in clarity to the $165-$299 if you shop smart (OR NOT)Alpha6 OR JSAR with a teeny tiny edge going to the Frontier.
Don't trust generic unknown brands? The BUSHNELL Forge at Natchez for around $460 (HALF PRICE!!!) has preeeeeeeetty good Chinese glass too. I have a couple of the 3-18×50 just too bad for the 25 yard focus but same with the high power Frontier…
Need a cheap sub $200 other than the Alpha6 That's pretty damn clear and you're prejudiced against the also fantastically clear and cheap Vector scopes? Try this!
Barra H30 4-16×50 SFP BDC Illuminated sub $200.
I use the SWFA SS 3-15×42 and the LEUPOLD EFR 6.5-20×40 AO as the baseline to compare other brand optics in clarity.
The JAPAN BUSHNELL TAC 5-15×40 Mildot for $299 sale (WORTH IT AT EVEN $500+) at SWFA is currently the king of bright and clear with perfect clicking turrets "on the cheap" in my book Followed by the Alpha6/JSAR then Vector and the Barra"
Are the 2021 models different? Not trying to be a wise guy just want to know your opinion or why you changed your tune?
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Like I said buy the NEW Hawke Frontiers if you have the money to blow. They are night and day clearer than my older Hawke Frontiers but thats my opinion that they are overpriced and if money is not an issue if you are rich and comfortable.
Changed my mind since I just got 2 Frontiers recently and they aren't cheap like the Alpha6 but I must admit first impression I got was WOW it looks like they copied the Alpha6 glass since they don't have the typical yellowing in their new glass which appears common among Chinese scopes. It is what it is. Just don't ever buy an Alpha6 to compare it to then you should be fine. Like I said buy the NEW Hawke Frontier if you can confortably afford it. It gives cheaper lines of Japanese scopes a very good run for their money like the SWFA SS (however even the Alpha6 and Chinese Barra H30 are a few of the other few nicer than the SWFA SS 3-15x42 IMHO)
Theres no other Chinese scope that I have purchased (and returned the majority BTW) whos glass is as nice PERIOD it edges out even the Alpha6 which really blew my mind. They are roughly 4x the street price in comparison though.
I will for sure push the NEW Hawke Frontiers if they ever go on sale so the average guy can buy them.
Many people are happy to pay up to $1200 for their Chinese made scopes anyway so might as well get the clearest one eh?
Like I said don't ever look through an Alpha6 and you will be fine. I use them as a baseline to compare to other Chinese made scopes (and Japan made scopes too in fact all scopes for glass comparison period) to expect at least equivalent glass otherwise they all get returned for refund then NEXT! AND MOST get returned. For some I was a plain stupid idiot to either mount them or missed the return deadline and am just stuck with them. Bought some used scopes too that were real POS also even at half off their regular selling price that I feel are still not even worth half of their selling price.
I have noticed many of my friends who have less than perfect vision seem to be more forgiving to less than perfect optics who really think their Chinese scopes are actually clear all the way to max power like the Element Helix and Titan and Arken SH4 and several levels of Athlons and certain Discovery models like the HD 5-30x 34mm for example and Mueller 8-32x and BSA 4-14x and huge $100 ZOS and many non Japanese Vortex and MTC and Aztec and some Optisans for example. Oh and some even think their Leaper UTGs are equal to expensive optics too (in their opinion even the eyebox that really threw me off).
I use several of my March scopes and Kahles and Tract Toric then Nightforce NX8 then SHV then Sightron S3 to compare the in between Alpha6 and better as the upper baseline of optical greatness. If they aren't as clear as the Alpha6 and at least like equal to the SWFA SS I Probably keep them.
The older Hawke scopes aren't as clear. The NEW Sidewinder 30 and Frontier are a whole different ballgame now for a price. (Of course)
The Crimson Trace 3 is like a Nightforce SHV for under $500 clearance. Their under $800 clearance 5 series is better but not quite as nice as the Tract Toric and Nightforce NX8 4-32x.
Changed my mind since I just got 2 Frontiers recently and they aren't cheap like the Alpha6 but I must admit first impression I got was WOW it looks like they copied the Alpha6 glass since they don't have the typical yellowing in their new glass which appears common among Chinese scopes. It is what it is. Just don't ever buy an Alpha6 to compare it to then you should be fine. Like I said buy the NEW Hawke Frontier if you can confortably afford it. It gives cheaper lines of Japanese scopes a very good run for their money like the SWFA SS (however even the Alpha6 and Chinese Barra H30 are a few of the other few nicer than the SWFA SS 3-15x42 IMHO)
Theres no other Chinese scope that I have purchased (and returned the majority BTW) whos glass is as nice PERIOD it edges out even the Alpha6 which really blew my mind. They are roughly 4x the street price in comparison though.
I will for sure push the NEW Hawke Frontiers if they ever go on sale so the average guy can buy them.
Many people are happy to pay up to $1200 for their Chinese made scopes anyway so might as well get the clearest one eh?
Like I said don't ever look through an Alpha6 and you will be fine. I use them as a baseline to compare to other Chinese made scopes (and Japan made scopes too in fact all scopes for glass comparison period) to expect at least equivalent glass otherwise they all get returned for refund then NEXT! AND MOST get returned. For some I was a plain stupid idiot to either mount them or missed the return deadline and am just stuck with them. Bought some used scopes too that were real POS also even at half off their regular selling price that I feel are still not even worth half of their selling price.
I have noticed many of my friends who have less than perfect vision seem to be more forgiving to less than perfect optics who really think their Chinese scopes are actually clear all the way to max power like the Element Helix and Titan and Arken SH4 and several levels of Athlons and certain Discovery models like the HD 5-30x 34mm for example and Mueller 8-32x and BSA 4-14x and huge $100 ZOS and many non Japanese Vortex and MTC and Aztec and some Optisans for example. Oh and some even think their Leaper UTGs are equal to expensive optics too (in their opinion even the eyebox that really threw me off).
I use several of my March scopes and Kahles and Tract Toric then Nightforce NX8 then SHV then Sightron S3 to compare the in between Alpha6 and better as the upper baseline of optical greatness. If they aren't as clear as the Alpha6 and at least like equal to the SWFA SS I Probably keep them.
The older Hawke scopes aren't as clear. The NEW Sidewinder 30 and Frontier are a whole different ballgame now for a price. (Of course)
The Crimson Trace 3 is like a Nightforce SHV for under $500 clearance. Their under $800 clearance 5 series is better but not quite as nice as the Tract Toric and Nightforce NX8 4-32x.
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The Hawke Frontier I bought several months ago was an older model and that one has inferior glass its hard to believe its the same line of scope. Just like the new Sidewinder 30 glass is way better than the old ones. Really think how is it possible to be the same line of scopes?
Kind of reminds me of the first OLD great Hawke scope the 6.5-20x42 Sidewinder 30 which seemed the clearest out of all Hawje sidewinder 30s and other levels I compared it to including my first Frontier with a really nice eyebox and sight picture many years ago.
Most of my guns had Hawkes and Japan Bushnell scopes during that time.
Kind of reminds me of the first OLD great Hawke scope the 6.5-20x42 Sidewinder 30 which seemed the clearest out of all Hawje sidewinder 30s and other levels I compared it to including my first Frontier with a really nice eyebox and sight picture many years ago.
Most of my guns had Hawkes and Japan Bushnell scopes during that time.
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That copied post must have been during the middle part of last year 2020. I have since gone through around 100 scopes since then. Most were returned for refund of course and only kept the clear ones that were AT LEAST similar to like the Alpha6 glass. I kept the Midas TAC over couple of the Ares because it had better value for the same yellowish Bushnell Forge type glass. The Forge specifically 4.5-27x50 has the worst yellowing compared to the other Chinese scopes. The 3-18x50 version is less noticeable like the Midas TAC.
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Had I seen this thread a month ago I would’ve taken Odoyle up on his offer and checked out one these scopes. I could use a scope that is adjustable down to 10 yards. And it would work with the Pard 007a I have for nighttime praying use on my friends acreage in the coming months.
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They still got some left 4sale and looks like there's a backorder option. You SNOOZE you LOSE.
I'd rather pay $450-$800 for a Japan made $1200-$1900 scope than $800-$900 for a Chinese made $800-$900 scope if that makes any sense.
I'd rather pay $450-$800 for a Japan made $1200-$1900 scope than $800-$900 for a Chinese made $800-$900 scope if that makes any sense.
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Odoyle: Do you still have that NIB Tract Toric 4-20x50 scope ? What reticle does it have? When did you buy it?
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