N/A Switching to PCP

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So, I've decided to switch from break barrel to PCP. long story short, I bought a break barrel (double ordered on accident actually) and i've had nothing but problems with it...
break barrels seem to be too inconsistent and too finicky for me... I'm impatient. I don't want to spend an hour trying to zero in a scope because I have to use a specific rest (sand bags) and use an artillery grip and have to hold the gun the exact same way every time you shoot it so that it shoots consistent... and then the barrel might have play in it so when you break the barrel it might not come back to the *exact* same spot so your shot placement will be off etc etc....

nah... thats too much unnecessary crap for me... I've spent 2 weeks trying to sight in this stupid gamo swarm break barrel and I'm getting sick of it. im wanting to just throw it in the garbage if im being honest. (and not only that it kills my arms after cocking it about 20-30 times.) I'd prefer something a bit easier to shoot with a bit more consistency and accuracy. (plus I'd like to use a rail mounted bi-pod or possibly a clamped tri-pod since i plan on hunting with it).

Initially the only reason i went with break barrel is cause im left handed and i couldnt find many left handed or ambidextrous PCPs. That being said, i recently saw that the Benjamin Armada (Linked here) has a reversible bolt for us south paws and is regulated. I've always heard good things about benjamin n(typically the maurader, but the armada has a under barrel rail and I dont see one on the maurader). BUT I've read some pretty negative reviews about the cartridge and how cheaply made they are... I'd LIKE to keep the price under $800 USD if anyone could recommend a GOOD ambedextrous PCP. Rememeber I'm wanting undermounted bipod and left handed/ambedextrous. semi auto or bolt action is fine. Would also like it to be regulated.

TIA.
 
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My advice is go back to break barrel. Or even better, multi pumps. Pcp is the rabbit hole. Once you fall in, there no getting back out.
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Sounds like a shooter problem to me. Spend the time learning to shoot a springer, and they are every bit as accurate as a PCP. Springers are not a instant gratification gun. But there are advantages. Just your gun and a tin of pellets, constant power shot to shot. No tanks, hand pumps, compressors etc. And you better be able to fix your PCPs once the seals mess up, and they will.

Tried PCP. It was fun for awhile but became a brick sitting in the corner. Just a hassle.

There is a lot to be said about the simplicity of a springer. PCP is definitely not a rabbit hole I'll be going down.
 
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The OP said he planned to hunt. I do not know of any spring gun that can provide the power and accuracy to reach out to 50 yards on small to medium size game. Magnum spring guns rattle themselves apart, ruin scopes if you can even get the scope to not move. For small critter hunting/pesting, something like a TX200 or equal or better quality under lever might be a good bet instead of a PCP. But a PCP effortlessly delivers the power and accuracy that spring guns can only dream of once the critters get bigger and the distances greater. And in .25 and .30 calibers needed for those bigger animals.
 
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I started with break barrel springer and a PCP at the same time to see which i prefer, didn't want to touch the break barrel after about 50 shots, PCP is so much more fun to shoot, much lower action noise, no loud spring twang and strong recoil/vibration or dieseling type nonsense, higher power springer is also quite harsh to the scope, you'd better have a scope that's designed for it. Single reload just ain't gonna cut it when you need a quick follow up shot or trying to take out the 2nd or 3rd target close by. Do some research and reading up on the Avenge X, it's not just a good beginner PCP gun, it's a great gun for the money, .25 will give you reliable 50ft-lb all day all night every single day. A $200 compressor from Amazon should last you for awhile as long as it wasn't abused, trying to save a few bucks with using hand pump is going to get old quickly.
 
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Grundy1133 said:
So, I've decided to switch from break barrel to PCP. long story short, I bought a break barrel (double ordered on accident actually) and i've had nothing but problems with it...
break barrels seem to be too inconsistent and too finicky for me... I'm impatient. I don't want to spend an hour trying to zero in a scope because I have to use a specific rest (sand bags) and use an artillery grip and have to hold the gun the exact same way every time you shoot it so that it shoots consistent... and then the barrel might have play in it so when you break the barrel it might not come back to the *exact* same spot so your shot placement will be off etc etc....

nah... thats too much unnecessary crap for me... I've spent 2 weeks trying to sight in this stupid gamo swarm break barrel and I'm getting sick of it. im wanting to just throw it in the garbage if im being honest. (and not only that it kills my arms after cocking it about 20-30 times.) I'd prefer something a bit easier to shoot with a bit more consistency and accuracy. (plus I'd like to use a rail mounted bi-pod or possibly a clamped tri-pod since i plan on hunting with it).

Initially the only reason i went with break barrel is cause im left handed and i couldnt find many left handed or ambidextrous PCPs. That being said, i recently saw that the Benjamin Armada (Linked here) has a reversible bolt for us south paws and is regulated. I've always heard good things about benjamin n(typically the maurader, but the armada has a under barrel rail and I dont see one on the maurader). BUT I've read some pretty negative reviews about the cartridge and how cheaply made they are... I'd LIKE to keep the price under $800 USD if anyone could recommend a GOOD ambedextrous PCP. Rememeber I'm wanting undermounted bipod and left handed/ambedextrous. semi auto or bolt action is fine. Would also like it to be regulated.

TIA.
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??? $800 total or extra $$for an air source ?

IF we knew what area he is in ,maybe someone could take a few guns over to let him try ? or invite to their house /range
 
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I put a scope back on my HW95 yesterday and realized how much I enjoy shooting springers . It has 17 fpe more than enough power for squirrels, easy to cock and accurate. I took it out again today and only stopped because of rain . I was thinking to cock it once would be the same difference as pumping a hand pump 3-4 times per shot . I would rather pull the barrel once vs hand pumping PCP's. I don't like shooting the cheap magnum springers though.
 
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The OP said he planned to hunt. I do not know of any spring gun that can provide the power and accuracy to reach out to 50 yards on small to medium size game. Magnum spring guns rattle themselves apart, ruin scopes if you can even get the scope to not move. For small critter hunting/pesting, something like a TX200 or equal or better quality under lever might be a good bet instead of a PCP. But a PCP effortlessly delivers the power and accuracy that spring guns can only dream of once the critters get bigger and the distances greater. And in .25 and .30 calibers needed for those bigger animals.
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I hunt with a springer at 40 yards and under with .22 and .25 by getting stalking closer to your intended target. Seldom have had to take a shot over 35 yards. And not all magnum springers rattle them self apart. I have to disagree with your assessment.
 
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Septicdeath said:
I hunt with a springer at 40 yards and under with .22 and .25 by getting stalking closer to your intended target. Seldom have had to take a shot over 35 yards. And not all magnum springers rattle them self apart. I have to disagree with your assessment.
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That is fine, you like them, I do not and neither does the OP. I find them (break barrel magnum spring rifles) obnoxious, inaccurate and excessive in length and weight. Not to mention destroying scopes. I will keep my one .177 break barrel, it is a sweet shooting 12 to 14 fpe rifle perfect for HOSPs at 10 yards. This is the PCP forum.
 
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I sold off all my springers, right after I discovered PCP's.
I do still have a soft spot for multi-pumpers however, for those SHTF scenereo's.
Otherwise, pcp is my dominate platform of choice, and they just keep getting better, and less expensive.
Today, you can get a nice PCP, a CO2 rifle, a multi-pumper, AND a inexpensive compressor, for less money, than a decent springer!
 
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I doubt that very seriously. I good springer is 600-700 maybe. I guess what you call a nice pcp is different than what I call nice. I have an avenge x and I will be getting rid of it. It's an okay gun. I have had red wolfs,impacts, k1, raw, Vulcans 3. I'll take my springers over all of them. In fact all I got left is the K1 and impact. Too each his own but a cheap pcp is like a cheap springers just a waste of your time and money.
 
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Personally I shoot springers like crap. I have 2- hw 35e-rws 350-rws 48- I have had many other TX etc.. The only ones I shot that made me happy in accuracy was 10 meter rigs. 300s etc.. The only one I have that I CAN shoot to my standards is a Walther LGR SSP 10m rig. I keep em around incase my compressor breaks or power grid goes down but if not for that they would all be gone except for the LGR. Reason for me is simple..I shoot PCP far better. It's not even close. If I were OP I would grab a close out NOS RAW or used AGT that hasn't been messed with & get a cheap gx compressor off amazon & have fun.
 
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Personally I shoot springers like crap. I have 2- hw 35e-rws 350-rws 48- I have had many other TX etc.. The only ones I shot that made me happy in accuracy was 10 meter rigs. 300s etc.. The only one I have that I CAN shoot to my standards is a Walther LGR SSP 10m rig. I keep em around incase my compressor breaks or power grid goes down but if not for that they would all be gone except for the LGR. Reason for me is simple..I shoot PCP far better. It's not even close. If I were OP I would grab a close out NOS RAW or used AGT that hasn't been messed with & get a cheap gx compressor off amazon & have fun.
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I agree if going the pcp route. Get a quality one used and a gx or rovair. Learn to work on them.
 
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I just picked up an Avenge-X in .22 cal a few months ago. It's been a phenomenal airgun. My first airgun was a Mrod. I eventually added a huma regulator for it and it's a pretty good gun too. Shoots tight groups, very quiet with the integrated shroud, and decent shot count.

The Avenge-X is more, but it covers a wider ranger of power so that's what I suggest to people.
 
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I just picked up an Avenge-X in .22 cal a few months ago. It's been a phenomenal airgun. My first airgun was a Mrod. I eventually added a huma regulator for it and it's a pretty good gun too. Shoots tight groups, very quiet with the integrated shroud, and decent shot count.

The Avenge-X is more, but it covers a wider ranger of power so that's what I suggest to people.
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Mine in 177 shoots okay but the quality of the rifle and stock is very poor. I am going to move it down the road. Reg creeps all the time.
 
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I don't own any springers, but if I did, I would only own under or side levers, myself. I can't get past the idea of yanking on the barrel to cock it. Seems like a recipe for inaccuracy, even if you learned to shoot it well.
If the OP is set on a PCP, I'd also recommend the Marauder to a newcomer. It's pretty hand-pump friendly quiet and accurate, though I'd also recommend getting as lightweight an optic as possible and mount it as low as you can manage. They're already a heavy gun. A 28oz scope sitting on top of high rings just feels terrible, IMO. Keep it light and low.
 
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I've owned a break barrel for years, don't shoot it. Too loud for the backyard, moderators are not near as available nor as simple to add. I like guns that require only pulling the trigger, a happy switch just adds to the fun. Can't get that with break barrel. I enjoy both the power and the accuracy. Once you are set up with a compressor and air bottle, the rest is easy and low effort. The older I get, the more the low effort aspect appeals. I don't sweat a bit flipping the switch on my HPA pump. If I need a quick follow up shot, can't beat only pulling the trigger.
 
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In to the PCP hobby for a month or two now. I have two guns I greatly enjoy, a compressor to fill them with, and an air bottle for the range/field. The grand total thus far? Right around 1000-1300 bucks, the Hatsan Blitz being the biggest piece of that $$$. I'm esp. pleased with my purchasing prowess for El Cheapo my 150 dollar PCP pump. It is getting an oil change today, time to change the cheap break in oil I put in with good synthetic. It has a couple hours on it now, I'll drain the oil through a coffee filter just to have a look. My IR full synthetic oil will be here soon, pd. too much for it, but can't beat delivered in a few hours.
 
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