TalonP / Talon-p Simple modifications

[MrP]

Just got a TalonP. First high quality air gun and first pcp. Love it. The hand pump is no big deal as well. I got an inexpensive Diana hand pump from Arizona Airguns and it is not to hard topping it off at all.


I got the ring-loc set to tone it down a bit. What I’m wondering is what kinds of options exists to modify for higher power.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? 



thank you

 

[Malsonb]

Look at talon tunes web site. 

 

[mercado]

 you already have the valve...first stiffer frame talon tunes wocguard and ar grip that will change by a lot your trigger pull and feel of the gun..second complete picatiny low scope rail..they are some 10" that was enough for stiffening and handling of the gun ...12" of barrel to short for power but I wouldn't go than 18" because the frame of the talon p is to short ...custom 16 1/2 tj should work great in that gun ..custom 95g hammer...380cc carbon bottle regulated with another rimlock valve.stock tank tuned for power.....if eventually you whant even more power..keep looking at the forum until you find a sheap condor ss that's the longer frame available .it will allow to use a 30" barrel with only 6" out side the frame and one that tip of the frame you add another solid bushing..from there a Doug valve...and a hole lot of money...you bet you never see again..because that a airforce gun and almost nobody like it at least not to pay you for your proyect ..that's you protect n yours only .now you can't say no body told you...but I like them have 5 that will go with me to the grave ...unless some come with a rifle for the same price that I could shoot heavy bullets of ...have another 5 crickets to shoot pellets of .. trying to keep my promise of no more tha 10pcp...

 

[MrP]

No more than 10! Well I feel better about getting the talon just a month after getting a gamo magnum.


I recognize that I will not be reselling this - this is just for me to mess around with. Not looking to mess with barrel for now - just curious about smaller changes like valves or hammers. I will make a list of the mods you describe and start researching them a bit. See what is affordable. 



why does no one like these guns? This thing is amazing. Maybe it is not very traditional so not easy to sell? No wood stock? I’m new to all of this so I have no idea about brands, what makes one of these re-sellable, their values, etc. This seems perfect to me - completely functional - a highly evolved design.

 

[mercado]

For example I think I finish my 257 condor few months before the. 257 texan came out..I have in it like $1,600.. that's money long gone the texan cost 1,050 - so the reality is a over work $700 condor that I. A good day if is like new you could sell for $500 ...the same goes with my .223 build ..and my talon ss regulated build..the 2 Texan are almost factory only big botles were added...the majority don't like single shot airguns ones they pass break barrels they are done with single loading I think that is the mayor drawback for many..if you se 4 of my airforce gun are bench only 50" long or more only to shoot cast bullets 250y +...even that my talo ss regulated shoot as well as my cricket in terms of accuracy..I really prefer my multi shoot guns better for every day use ..

 

[Rob_in_NC]

The AirForce guns are quite popular and have a bit of a cult following. But like most things, there are those who just dont like them. Resale on them is a buyers market for sure; especially if you've modded them.

For me, they are fun because of the infinite amount of modifications that can be done to them. I've got a dozen or so in .177, 22, 25, 257, 30, 45 and an arrow shooter zinging out arrows over 450fps. They can easily be a money pit with all the accessories available to them.

While the forum is pretty well dead, there is still a lot of information on www.talonairgun.com

 

[MrP]

I see. I don’t mind single shot, but I do have a cheap Gamo magnum with a 10 shot magazine and is convenient for sure. I don’t shoot enough for it to matter. I am living in the suburbs and have to shoot indoors mostly, don’t do any hunting, so the pace of single shot air guns is not an issue for me. 


I am stuck with suburban shooting, and I was surprised at how quiet this airgun is at medium to low power. I had read that the TalonP was in need of a moderator, but I feel like my gamo magnum is noisier at most power settings. The talon is quite loud at 11-13 on the dial, for sure.

i am having a hard time finding an affordable pellet trap. The old Diana louvered metal trap I have is getting pretty beat-up. This trap seems more durable than any of the pellet gun traps I have seen for sale though, that’s surprising. I will have to buy a .22 rim fire trap some day but those are not cheap.

so I made my own trap by cutting up a yoga mat and kind of pleating strips of it and packing it into a long 7”x7”x18” (more or less) cardboard box. Works perfectly - 18” of compressed yoga mat will stop a 40+ fpe pellet no problem.


Even though this has a choked barrel and is not designed for slugs, I have been trying out h and n grizzly slugs in the TalonP. As far as I can tell, it shoots them just fine (I am only shooting short distances like 10m however). They always enter the target cleanly. When I shot (light) slugs out of my gamo magnum they would often hit the target at a strange angle - all kinds of weird gyroscopic precession or whatever. With the talon, they are traveling like a perfect football spiral - perfectly circular entrance hole. I assume that is a good thing.


I think it is pretty sweet that this thing can fling actual bullets / high b.c. slugs with accuracy (over short distances I mean)

Then again, I started with my dad’s old Red Ryder, and then spent 99% of my previous airgun time as a 12 year old shooting wadcutters with a pumpmaster 760, so pretty much anything is going to seem amazing in contrast I guess. 

I decided to put iron sights on the talon rather than a dot site. Trying to keep it compact and not rely on little hearing-aid batteries that come with the sight I can afford (and probably die when you least expect it). I put a reflex site on my gamo but the need to worry about power and carry extra batteries is a hassle.

 

[MrP]

One more thing - anyone know of a review that chronographs the talon p at different power wheel settings?i know it is pellet dependent but it would be nice to see shot string data at different power settings for a particular pellet. I would do it but lack a chronograph. 

 

[c_m_shooter]

You need a chronograph. Pellet speed is going to depend on fill pressure as well as hammer preload and your choice of transfer port size with the ring loc kit. These guns do not like full fill pressure like you think initially. My Condor SS hits the top velocity of its string in the 2200 psi range.

 

[shambozzie]

@mrp, Early model talon p with talon tunes qc tophat string with jsb 25.4 .

 

[MrP]

Thank you. This is helpful. I would love to have my own chronograph some day. Now I know there are many factors involved here but how do you think the shot strings in this picture would compare to the current talon p (ring loc) that can’t use the qc top hat? Maybe this can’t be answered until someone who has one chronographs it, but I would love to know. Mainly curious about the fpe without the inserts (or in my case, the smaller valves in the airforce ring lock set)

 

[shambozzie]

@ mrp, This could work until you get a unit.

 

[MrP]

I thought this was a joke at first! it must measure the delay between the “pop” and the “slap” of the pellets. That is awesome... I have these sets of photogate triggers as part of some lab equipment in my classroom (I’m a science teacher). We used these to clock blow guns the kids made - blowing darts or other projectiles through the photo gates. Let me tell you a stomp rocket, a 1 meter copper pipe and a marble (or for safety a grape or potato plug) makes a great demonstration for discussing kinetic energy and projectiles. Had some fun with that before the virus. 

i wonder if they’d clock a pellet if I could shoot well enough?

I can space them up to 3 meters apart and calculate velocities based on when the beams are interrupted. I think the sweet spot of the sensors is too small for me to reliably shoot a pellet through so I may just have to invest some cash in a chronometer, but I’m having a hard time justifying the purchase after just getting the talon p.

I’ll tell you it might have been 5 years before I got back into this hobby if it hadn’t been for the outbreak. been a long time since I messed around with airguns. Gave me time to think, do a little research, get really bored and come up with a solution. Guess it’s always nice to find good mixed in with the bad.

 

[MrP]

Has anyone here changed the breech on a talon p or condor? I want to replace the plastic one with an aluminum fluted breech from TalonTunes (arriving today) but I have not been able to get or find directions to install. I know it is very simple but I cannot find a tutorial or video anywhere either.




Apparently you take out the tank and slide the breech out towards the butt end, but I wonder if there are any other things i need to know? Is it a simple pulling motion? Twist? Force involved?


I just don’t know what I’m getting into here, don’t want to mess up the talon, and the folks at TalonTunes must be too busy / stretched thin to write tutorials for noob customers. A lot of airgun suppliers seem overwhelmed and low on stock right now. 


Thank you

 

[bandg]

Been a while since I've had my condor apart but it is very simple. What you noted is correct and no twist or force is needed, it will come right out. I remove the cocking bolt before removal as I recall and put it back in last. Sometimes a bit of movement on the trigger can help, especially when reinstalling IIRC. I have the aluminum breech but still using the composite as I've had no issues with it and it shoots great. The aluminum one is nicer.

 

[MrP]

Thanks. Got the aluminum breech slide in. Very easy indeed. Is it possible that the extra mass of the slide is causing less powerful shots? The hammer has to hit the slide, the slide hits the top hat, and out comes the air... of the slide is now metal ( and with a tight fit as well) won’t that mean the hammer won’t be as effective?