Tethered at the bench

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Peashooter

Peashooter

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That is the way i always shoot.
So i just got to thinking, i dont really need a air tank on my rifle, but i would instead take a proper length lower rail instead and pay the same for the rifle.

Here i have modified a RTI Mora in paint with a lower rail to demonstrate.
I also imagine a connector adaptor that would screw on where bottle would so you can still use #1 regulator, or you can connect at foster using a inline regulator.

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I would buy that ⬆️ Mora as soon as it was possible

I also wonder why no brand have this option, after all a lot of people shoot tethered at the bench, and of course if the need arise we could just remove rail and put on one of the bottles we already have.
And so probably no money saved, but airgunners of the world empowered with more choice.
 
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That thin long rail wouldn't support the gun rested without flexing into the barrel and changing poi. I shoot off a bench with my impact tether or not just fine with the bottle resting on a bag/bipod. Not a big market for this to warrant companies to go that route. Companies are into making money/profit. If they think many people would buy it, they would already done it. Just cause a few joe wants it, it's not worth their time to design and manufacture it.
 
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While an interesting, out of the box idea, I can't really envision this. From another point of view, this design limits the gun to strictly bench- tethered shooting. Most shooters would value overall flexibility and adaptability of their platforms for multiple applications. Now if I was going to accept restricted use of a given platform, I'd be looking for a sizeable reduction in cost as well to justify it's purchase. I completely understand your desire for streamlining a gun for a super specific purpose, but I don't forsee a sizeable fan base.
 
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Yeah it is a dual edged sword, but like i say you should be able to remove rail and put a bottle on, and you probably have a spare or at least one you can quickly unscrew so it should not be a extra cost to go " normal " Where as as it is now it is a rather big extra cost to put on a extended lower rail accessory.

A rail would of course have to be made as strong as possible, my paint drawings are just to visualize the idea, i am quite sure it can be done, at least they do make pretty long accessory rails / bottle cradles for both below and above barrel / action.

Such a rail will of course cost money to make so i do not expect a cheaper rifle, development costs should be minimal, i figure 1 hour on CAD maximum.
But i think it would be empowerment for shooters, i would for sure buy a bottle less / rail equipped Mora if i got the chance .

EDIT: bue yes they probably should not make as many of these no bottle rails as they make rifles, but a few 100 of them i think they could sell without too much trouble.

PS: i do think i saw somewhere that all the Moras will come with a bottle cradle of some length, so at least further out front than right in front of trigger guard to put a bipod.
So a compete against one selv scenario might be possible, offering 2 rail solutions but i recon that is why CEOs get paid like they do, to make the hard decisions, and hopefully right.
 
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I get that you don't need a bottle for your use, but I think to make a case for producing one this way you'd need to show how it performs better in that use case when set up this way . . .

I say that because the manufacturers are going to have to invest in changing part of what I would call a "foundational element" of the gun - how the air gets into it for use - and they won't do that without a profitable payout. And those profits will only come through sales and revenue, and those will be driven by results. If it ends up being better at benchrest, people some people will buy it.

Instead of the rail idea as you have laid it out, as a thought experiment imagine that the tank on those guns was replaced by a similar rail but with an integral ~100cc or so "tank" that allowed the architecture of the gun to exist unchanged (since the air input would still function the same way, with input through the foster fitting to feed that "tank") and you would have your rail set up. How would that make the gun better for you? Would you pay more for it, especially since that "tank/rail" would probably cost more than a tank that can be made and bought in bulk?

I think you'd have to work through that to get to case for anything more than just using an approach of smaller tanks with an integral rail.
 
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I dont think they ( RTI ) would need to change anything, CUZ that would indeed be costly.
What i suggest is just have a big rail instead of bottle option, and this probably also just wanted on the long range rifles, compacts ASO i dont see a want for this.

At best in the case of my Mora exampel in order to use its own #1 regulator in the part the bottle screw on, well yes that part probably need to be made, but you can also just forget that and let users use the foster to connect their big bottle, i have noticed many ´shooters using a inline regulator, though i think that is most often in the big bore class.
But never the less you could probably also just use a 200 or 150 BAR bottle CUZ in the Mora i dont thin the #1 regulator drop the pressure a whole lot, that way you save the cost of a inline regulator.

By chance i have a 200 BAR 12 L bottle.

It could also be that you need to machine a hole or two extra in order to facilitate easy boldt on, but i dont think that add a whole lot to machine time / cost.

But yes if you have to change a lot to accommodate such a thing, it is probably not worth it, CUZ yes i do not think this would be something every airgunner under the sun would like, but that is also true for your harmonic tuners, and quite a few rails for here and there, and still they make and sell them too, or accessory brands do.

Anyway i have mailed RTI, so lets see what happen , they can take the ball and run with it, or they can look at me as if i am something that just fell out of a tree.
 
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Throwing a M4 in the mix.
Due to the dwell adjuster i think it is called, well you need better design than mine.

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I accidentally kind of did your idea on the bottom rail? I like having the bottle. If its fx you can sub in a little 200cc air tube from the tactical and lite series dreamline. I just got the monster tandem tether bottle and need to try it with the manifold and my shooting buddy. 1058ci 3500psi cylinder.

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I rarely shoot tethered at all, but I think it's something that has a lot of potential for future airgun designs. For airguns that are big bores, semi/full auto, pistols or replicas, having a remote tank of very high pressure air makes a lot of sense. A gun like the Mordax is limited to about one magazine at higher power. Air shotguns are limited to only a few shots per fill. Replicas could be made significantly more realistic and more powerful if they weren't limited to 12g CO2 for power. For any of these, having a small remote SCBA tank would be a good option. It would also allow for a lot of design creativity. Imagine a multipump pneumatic where both the pump and the reservoir were remote.
 
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