FX The Dreamline Lite .30cal is finally here- and i have some questions, please help!

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Now that you've bogged down the 1.5 screw you need to back it down to where it hit 766 and then creep forward 1/8turns until the velocity drops.. at that point do a 1/6th turn or so back... Then increase regulator pressure 5-10bar. Your velocity will lower... Then you will by the ⅙ or so turn increment increase the 1.5. You are trying to place the "goldilocks" tension on the spring which will cause the hammer to strike the valve just the perfect amount to produce the blast of air that pushes your pellet out of the barrel with the least turbulence possible while producing the highest velocity possible while also closing the valve before it leaves the barrel.

 

[grzech2005]

130 is the STARTING POINT. You cannot just magically make 130 produce more once the 1.5 HS screw stops producing results. I've explained it several times over. Brother. You've gained 50fps and you're only at 130.


130 is the starting point.

I told you in 2 or 3 messages that once you've reached 130 and the adjustments of the 1.5 screw either stops increasing or stops dropping to back that screw off a tiny bit and Increase pressure another 5-7 bar and then start increasing the 1.5 screw again until again, the velocity stops rising or drops. Then Increase again. If you just set the screw high and the pressure at an arbitrary higher pressure you're not going to have the hammer spring and valve balanced and you'll as you've seen have Jack poop velocity at high pressure

yes- i get it but at 130bar and power at 23 and middle tension i go all the way up to maxed tension on 1.5 but the speed is not dropping- so thats why i keep tensioning more and more waiting for that drop but it does not come..

maybe its because i wasnt all the way down on the tensioner 1.5?

but i am afraid that when i go all the way down- the tensioning screw will fall out of the thread and then i need to unscrew the but stock, find the screw and put it in..

is it most important that i am on the very bottom of tensioning 1.55- maybe i missed that spot and am starting above that point?

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

You do this over and over until you reach a reasonable velocity preferably a good 35-40fps higher than what you NEED. So if you're trying to shoot at 840fps (very reasonable from a dreamline .30) reach 870/880 and then start rolling your power wheel back at THAT point. Until you are at your goal velocity. Brute force and highest hardest possible shot cycle is not what you want. You want butter smooth. You want the shot cycle as gentle as possible shooting a good velocity. For the sake of shot count and the health of your gun

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

yes- i get it but at 130bar and power at 23 and middle tension i go all the way up to maxed tension on 1.5 but the speed is not dropping- so thats why i keep tensioning more and more waiting for that drop but it does not come..

maybe its because i wasnt all the way down on the tensioner 1.5?

but i am afraid that when i go all the way down- the tensioning screw will fall out of the thread and then i need to unscrew the but stock, find the screw and put it in..

is it most important that i am on the very bottom of tensioning 1.55- maybe i missed that spot and am starting above that point?

No. It looks like you've reached the power potential of that spring .. after all your gun was a 5.5fpe limited .177 originally.

Do you have the Huma Power tune spring? Or heavier hammer in.?

You might need a stiffer spring and a heavier hammer to reach the potential of .30. You're at 57.3fpe.

And no, you don't have to go all the way down. But maybe back up the 1.5 little by little and see if you don't get a rise. If not you're probably at the limit for a reg pressure of 130.. you can drop the regulator pressure a bit and see if the velocity doesn't rise. Or you might need a heavier spring. But first try backing down the 1.5 spring and see if you don't find the velocity going up after a few turns. If you were at plateau when you started that would explain not getting the rise and subsequent fall

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Did you put on that large plenum you asked about or single or double regular dreamline power plenums?

 

[grzech2005]

No. It looks like you've reached the power potential of that spring .. after all your gun was a 5.5fpe limited .177 originally.

Do you have the Huma Power tune spring? Or heavier hammer in.?

You might need a stiffer spring and a heavier hammer to reach the potential of .30

yes- i am thinking the same.. either the hammer weight is too light or the spring to soft..

i did want to power up the gun with tunning parts anyway

so i will just throw to side the spring (since i don't know if its the original .30 spring or a soft one- and fx or the german dealer instead of putting an original strong .30 cal spring just puts in a baby spring since there was also no weight on that baby spring)

and get a tunning spring and hammer weight and that way eliminate this guessing game of what they put in or not.. i will just tune with parts..

so tell me please which spring i should get from huma air and if i should also get a hammer weight and which?

if you are not sure- thats ok, i will talk to huma air direct per email

do you know which parts i should replace and with which ones?

 

[grzech2005]

Did you put on that large plenum you asked about or single or double regular dreamline power plenums?

i put on a single 17cc power plenum in front of the bottle adapter

 

[grzech2005]

No. It looks like you've reached the power potential of that spring .. after all your gun was a 5.5fpe limited .177 originally.

Do you have the Huma Power tune spring? Or heavier hammer in.?

You might need a stiffer spring and a heavier hammer to reach the potential of .30. You're at 57.3fpe.

And no, you don't have to go all the way down. But maybe back up the 1.5 little by little and see if you don't get a rise. If not you're probably at the limit for a reg pressure of 130.. you can drop the regulator pressure a bit and see if the velocity doesn't rise. Or you might need a heavier spring. But first try backing down the 1.5 spring and see if you don't find the velocity going up after a few turns. If you were at plateau when you started that would explain not getting the rise and subsequent fall

no- not .177- it was a .30 cal from the get go.. its even worse- they limited my .30 cal down to 5.5fpe with a small .177 port wheel, and they took out the hammer weight..

but apparently they also put a weaker spring in it but why the hell they did not put the original spring on the side with the original hammer- beats me..

but i will buy upgraded parts anyway so this dilemma will be gone

 

[grzech2005]

No. It looks like you've reached the power potential of that spring .. after all your gun was a 5.5fpe limited .177 originally.

Do you have the Huma Power tune spring? Or heavier hammer in.?

You might need a stiffer spring and a heavier hammer to reach the potential of .30. You're at 57.3fpe.

And no, you don't have to go all the way down. But maybe back up the 1.5 little by little and see if you don't get a rise. If not you're probably at the limit for a reg pressure of 130.. you can drop the regulator pressure a bit and see if the velocity doesn't rise. Or you might need a heavier spring. But first try backing down the 1.5 spring and see if you don't find the velocity going up after a few turns. If you were at plateau when you started that would explain not getting the rise and subsequent fall

if i back up from the maxed out tensioner i start loosing speed..

so i only see max highest fps with the tensioner at max

so i think that tells that my spring is too weak and lets itself to be tensioned that far that i dont have any adjustment left on the 1.5

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

yes- i am thinking the same.. either the hammer weight is too light or the spring to soft..

i did want to power up the gun with tunning parts anyway

so i will just throw to side the spring (since i don't know if its the original .30 spring or a soft one- and fx or the german dealer instead of putting an original strong .30 cal spring just puts in a baby spring since there was also no weight on that baby spring)

and get a tunning spring and hammer weight and that way eliminate this guessing game of what they put in or not.. i will just tune with parts..

so tell me please which spring i should get from huma air and if i should also get a hammer weight and which?

if you are not sure- thats ok, i will talk to huma air direct per email

do you know which parts i should replace and with which ones?

Pellet or slug power tuning spring will work. If you drop to 120-125 bar and your velocity is higher, your spring was doing all that it could.

I have the dreamtac 25 with a 600 liner. Before I upgraded the internals. 55fpe is about ALL I could muster and my spring really was doing all that it could at 130. Adding the power tuning spring and the higher flow transfer port and probe gained me more than I expected. Since youre shooting a 30 maybe one hammer weight up would help. I tried the heavier hammer but went to original one to keep the shot cycle short.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

if i back up from the maxed out tensioner i start loosing speed..

so i only see max highest fps with the tensioner at max

so i think that tells that my spring is too weak and lets itself to be tensioned that far that i dont have any adjustment left on the 1.5

Ok. Drop 10 bar and see what happens.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

no- not .177- it was a .30 cal from the get go.. its even worse- they limited my .30 cal down to 5.5fpe with a small .177 port wheel, and they took out the hammer weight..

but apparently they also put a weaker spring in it but why the hell they did not put the original spring on the side with the original hammer- beats me..

but i will buy upgraded parts anyway so this dilemma will be gone

What is the point of a .30 limited to 5.5. You could generate WAY more force with a slingshot and a stone. Those nanny state policies are terrible. Senseless. I'm sorry your government does this.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

FX Dreamline Pellet Power Tune Kit By Huma-Air

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High Flow V2 Dual Hole Transfer Port For FX Impact, Dreamline, Crown, Maverick and Wildcat MKIII

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These two things alone will do tons

There's a chance that even the valve seat is a "low power" version. You need to order part number 2024c. There's a chance you have 19217, which is the low power version.

Part 14: FX Dreamline Valve Seat & O-Ring - Bagnall and Kirkwood Airgun Spares

Replacement Valveseat and o-ring for the FX Dreamline air rifle. Suitable for all calibers and power settings. Part 19060 (19059 & 19061 combined) – Until serial number 0101759 Part 2024C – After serial number 0101759 High Power / FAC Part 19217 – After serial number 0101759 Low Power / UK Sub 12

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[RabbitofCaerbannog]

FX Dreamline Pellet Power Tune Kit By Huma-Air

FX Dreamline Pellet Power Tune Kit By Huma-Air to get the maximum performance out of your FX Dreamline. A must have for all airgunning fanatics!

huma-air.com

High Flow V2 Dual Hole Transfer Port For FX Impact, Dreamline, Crown, Maverick and Wildcat MKIII

High Flow Dual Transfer Port With Middle Support Bridge For FX Impact, FX Crown, FX Wildcat MKIII and FX Dreamline

huma-air.com

These two things alone will do tons

There's a chance that even the valve seat is a "low power" version. You need to order part number 2024c. There's a chance you have 19217, which is the low power version.

Part 14: FX Dreamline Valve Seat & O-Ring - Bagnall and Kirkwood Airgun Spares

Replacement Valveseat and o-ring for the FX Dreamline air rifle. Suitable for all calibers and power settings. Part 19060 (19059 & 19061 combined) – Until serial number 0101759 Part 2024C – After serial number 0101759 High Power / FAC Part 19217 – After serial number 0101759 Low Power / UK Sub 12

spares.bagnallandkirkwood.co.uk

You should call and ask the dealer if your gun has the low power restricted valve seat.

 

[grzech2005]

You should call and ask the dealer if your gun has the low power restricted valve seat.

i will do that! he needs to tell me what the hell they restricted in this stupid airgun..

 

[grzech2005]

You should call and ask the dealer if your gun has the low power restricted valve seat.

he did not want to answer because he sold me a 5.5fpe gun and it makes that... if i want to open it to origimal version then i can use the hammer weight and transfer port and crank up the reg but mre he will not tell me..

he says he does not know if the spring is weaker or the valve seat restricted..

you must understand that in this country nothing ist allowed- not even giving out information on how to make your legal 5.5fpe gun illegal..

and thats that- i will not get any more info out of him..

writing to fx i see also pointless..

i will just tune it with parts..

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

he did not want to answer because he sold me a 5.5fpe gun and it makes that... if i want to open it to origimal version then i can use the hammer weight and transfer port and crank up the reg but mre he will not tell me..

he says he does not know if the spring is weaker or the valve seat restricted..

you must understand that in this country nothing ist allowed- not even giving out information on how to make your legal 5.5fpe gun illegal..

and thats that- i will not get any more info out of him..

writing to fx i see also pointless..

i will just tune it with parts..

I wouldn't make a stink. I do understand. Just do things quietly. You can easily and cheaply replace the spring and valve seat. Just do that.

You've already replaced the tp wheel. Now just replace the valve seat and spring and voila, no longer restricted. There is nothing else they can do to limit the power. You had only the low or .177 settings on your original transfer port wheel. You likely have the restricted valve seat, and probably a light spring. Very easy and inexpensive fixes


The last thing you want is some dealer reporting you for trying to bypass legal restrictions.

 

[grzech2005]

I wouldn't make a stink. I do understand. Just do things quietly. You can easily and cheaply replace the spring and valve seat. Just do that.

You've already replaced the tp wheel. Now just replace the valve seat and spring and voila, no longer restricted. There is nothing else they can do to limit the power. You had only the low or .177 settings on your original transfer port wheel. You likely have the restricted valve seat, and probably a light spring. Very easy and inexpensive fixes


The last thing you want is some dealer reporting you for trying to bypass legal restrictions.

yes- that's exactly my fear- that he will report it somewhere- although i can do it when i am in polen, we have no limit there but i don't want any stink around me..

yes. so far i replaced these parts (they were included as accessories to go to original version)

-transfer port with the low, medium and high setting
-added the hammer weight that was included (but don't know if its the real original hammer weight of a real .30cal version)

and that's it.. plus 700cc bottle, 17cc power plenum and bottle adapter but these parts have nothing to do with performance- ok, except for the power plenum

and now i will get from huma air:

-fx pellet power tune
-high flow v2 dual transfer port
-high power valve seat and oring

is that right?
the stronger spring is part of the pellet power kit so i dont need to buy it extra..

so i should buy first those 3 items?

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

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yes- that's exactly my fear- that he will report it somewhere- although i can do it when i am in polen, we have no limit there but i don't want any stink around me..

yes. so far i replaced these parts (they were included as accessories to go to original version)

-transfer port with the low, medium and high setting
-added the hammer weight that was included (but don't know if its the real original hammer weight of a real .30cal version)

and that's it.. plus 700cc bottle, 17cc power plenum and bottle adapter but these parts have nothing to do with performance- ok, except for the power plenum

and now i will get from huma air:

-fx pellet power tune
-high flow v2 dual transfer port
-high power valve seat and oring

is that right?
the stronger spring is part of the pellet power kit so i dont need to buy it extra..

so i should buy first those 3 items?

There's nothing else you can get. The restricted flow of the valve seat will absolutely be the most helpful. If that is restricting flow you might not even need the power tune kit. However getting them anyway won't hurt. It'll just make more power and give you the ability to shoot 50gr pellets better.

 

[grzech2005]

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There's nothing else you can get. The restricted flow of the valve seat will absolutely be the most helpful. If that is restricting flow you might not even need the power tune kit. However getting them anyway won't hurt. It'll just make more power and give you the ability to shoot 50gr pellets better.

yes- i am getting all these 3 items so i don't have to second guess what if..

lets just get it done- these power parts are not expensive, maybe 100euros all together where i saved thanks to you guys few hundred bucks/euros on the carbon tuxing bottle and other things that you all told me to buy cheaper on amazon..

so the 100euros is nothing- i will get these parts..

but-----

are they easily installed?

you know i already changed few things on my DL so i know it a little better and think its not going to be hard--

but how do i change the probe, or the dual port or the valve seat?