The Extreme Booster Pump

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DellaDog

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Anyone have any feedback on these? Looks promising.



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https://hardairmagazine.com/news/the-extreme-booster-pump-fill-your-pcp-to-a-higher-pressure-than-the-tank/?fbclid=IwAR0mnce1Dis0NPUVyF2khVQBB3qc6RVTY5LJKjQlyY-CdGUnvRNnOqzMn2I
 
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Exactly how does this work? Sounds like a "perpetual motion device". I understand how electric transformers work to boost or reduce voltage, but how do you get higher air pressure from less pressure without a source of "higher air pressure"?

Don't get me wrong. I am sure it works, I just don't understand how.

Is there some graphic that illustrates the concepts involved?



p.s.

$899... OUCH!
 
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It appears to recycle low pressure air to boost the 2000psi tank output like how the shoebox compressor but with a built in self contained plumbing low pressure regulator that drives the 150psi to the booster piston compressing the 2000psi giving pressure while sacrificing low pressure volume.

Gives me an idea to make it an all in one by adding a "T" fitting to the high pressure input side and inline 150psi regulator to the shop compressor low pressure inlet part to make it like this new one.

The Altaros is about $150-$200 cheaper.
 
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It appears to recycle low pressure air to boost the 2000psi tank output like how the shoebox compressor but with a built in self contained plumbing low pressure regulator that drives the 150psi to the booster piston compressing the 2000psi giving pressure while sacrificing low pressure volume.

Gives me an idea to make it an all in one by adding a "T" fitting to the high pressure input side and inline 150psi regulator to the shop compressor low pressure inlet part to make it like this new one.

The Altaros is about $150-$200 cheaper.
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Thanks Odoyle, but I am still in the dark as to how it works. I did look up the concept and it is used/has been used for a long time in industrial applications, but I guess I will need a layman's "for dummies" explanation to understand how it works. Especially how it works without losing efficiency since the volume of air in a tank is constant..er, um... finite.

Oh well, I never said I was smart... (chuckle)
 
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Exactly how does this work? Sounds like a "perpetual motion device". I understand how electric transformers work to boost or reduce voltage, but how do you get higher air pressure from less pressure without a source of "higher air pressure"?

Is there some graphic that illustrates the concepts involved?
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It's not a perpetual motion device. It's actually a very simple way of converting high volume lower pressure to drive a large-diaphragm type piston to drive a small diameter high-pressure low volume piston. All the air used to drive the smaller piston is total loss. The Altaros booster uses the same principle with a medium pressure piston on the opposite side of the diaphragm, working like a boxer engine, and uses electronic valving to mechanize the process. This unit is not a substitute for a compressor, It's just a way of scavenging the unused part of a tank that is normally just a form of packer. It's only of value if you are paying for full fills from a dive shop and only using the top 20-30 percent of that fill. I hope that you are able to understand my explanation, I tried to make it as simple as I could.
 
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Exactly how does this work? Sounds like a "perpetual motion device". I understand how electric transformers work to boost or reduce voltage, but how do you get higher air pressure from less pressure without a source of "higher air pressure"?

Is there some graphic that illustrates the concepts involved?
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It's not a perpetual motion device. It's actually a very simple way of converting high volume lower pressure to drive a large-diaphragm type piston to drive a small diameter high-pressure low volume piston. All the air used to drive the smaller piston is total loss. The Altaros booster uses the same principle with a medium pressure piston on the opposite side of the diaphragm, working like a boxer engine, and uses electronic valving to mechanize the process. This unit is not a substitute for a compressor, It's just a way of scavenging the unused part of a tank that is normally just a form of packer. It's only of value if you are paying for full fills from a dive shop and only using the top 20-30 percent of that fill. I hope that you are able to understand my explanation, I tried to make it as simple as I could.
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Thanks! Best explanation I have seen to date. Lossy, but efficient for the intended use.

Still at $899..... OUCH!!! (chuckle)



And what about longevity?........ is it just something else that will break? LOL!
 
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Thanks for posting DellaDog

I've been looking into this myself and wasn't aware that Hardair had done a post on it.

I've been using Nitrogen since 2014 and I figure it's about time to get one of these. As of now when I get my bottle changed out it still has close to 3000 psi left in it. With the booster I can run the 6000 psi bottle all the way down close to 1000 psi.

Not to mention all the extra fills I will get by only filling my SCBA bottles to say 3000 psi and using the booster to fill my guns.

I've looked at the Ayrtekk as well, but the price on the Extreme is what caught my eye.

Here's what I've been studying so far!

https://youtu.be/_lROBIRVj4w

https://youtu.be/L-oiM3fIBss

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0OeWEy5xiSNxQhwkCB3ujg/videos

https://www.maddogcrs.com/Booster-Pump_c_29.html

Yup, this is the best deal!

https://extremebigboreairrifles.com/Extreme-Booster-Pump-p244952044

Peace and Booster Grease

Fuss


 
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I just thought of something else. My Kalibrguns have a restricter in the fill valve to keep from filling too fast and possibly over filling. I wonder how the Booster fills will handle this?
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I can't see why that would be a problem. The main thing to consider when deciding if this will be worthwhile is that 90 percent of the gas being air or nitrogen that comes from the donor vessel will be consumed by just driving it. That is if it is configured like the above pictures. Very little will be compressed into usable shooting gas. I know that doesn't matter if the unusable content of the bottle is sent back to the supplier anyway. Other units only require relatively low pressure to drive them and thus with a remote air supply like a normal shop compressor, they can convert 100 percent of the donor tank into usable high-pressure gas. There are lots of ways of skinning a cat with these types of devices. Knowing how they work is essential when considering if they are right for your needs
 
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I just thought of something else. My Kalibrguns have a restricter in the fill valve to keep from filling too fast and possibly over filling. I wonder how the Booster fills will handle this?
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I can't see why that would be a problem. The main thing to consider when deciding if this will be worthwhile is that 90 percent of the gas being air or nitrogen that comes from the donor vessel will be consumed by just driving it. That is if it is configured like the above pictures. Very little will be compressed into usable shooting gas. I know that doesn't matter if the unusable content of the bottle is sent back to the supplier anyway. Other units only require relatively low pressure to drive them and thus with a remote air supply like a normal shop compressor, they can convert 100 percent of the donor tank into usable high-pressure gas. There are lots of ways of skinning a cat with these types of devices. Knowing how they work is essential when considering if they are right for your needs
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Thanks for the input Eaglebeak.

Check out the summary of shot count with a .457 and a .308 Texan via the Arytekk

https://ayrtekk.com/f/summary-of-booster-pump-shot-count

looks pretty good to me?
 
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I just thought of something else. My Kalibrguns have a restricter in the fill valve to keep from filling too fast and possibly over filling. I wonder how the Booster fills will handle this?
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You can degass the Gen1 Cricket and there's a restrictor screw on the guns inner fill valve to unscrew to open it up like a faucet restrictor for faster fill the more you unscrew it the more air flows quicker. If that isn't enough for fast enough flow then shorten the thread on that screw just a hair with a file.
 
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I have the booster pump that mad dog stock sells and this booster pump looks exactly the same. If this extreme pump is the same design or similar, the low pressure side, I believe 90 to 120 psi is needed to push the larger piston which it also pushes a smaller piston which boosts the higher pressure air to whatever pressure you want it to. Having one is really cool because you could drain one or two tanks below 2000 psi and still fill your guns. The only problem with this design is the low pressure side takes a lot of air to push the larger piston. So if you have two tanks filled to 3000 psi, your low pressure side will go through a lot more air.
 
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Wyshadow Thanks for that input, I was worried how fast the low pressure side would drain a tank?

Odoyle, that's a bummer. I use nitrogen and was pretty sure I wouldn't have to worry about moisture with the nitrogen on the high and low sides. I have the shop compressor, but then I have to worry about introducing moisture on the low side?

I like the idea of the booster because I figure less to go wrong and less to maintain, but now I'm having second thoughts since they are so dang expensive. Would probably take several years of nitrogen to pay for itself? The 6000 psi bottle of Nitrogen lasts me anywhere from 8 months to a year as is.


 
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