The NEW Daystate Alpha Wolf Safari Edition!

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Airfuture said:
This is not a joke, this is a serious matter, Epoch opens the valve much easier than Daystate, which means it consumes 100 times less energy to open the valve, you can set the time for how long the valve will be open with an adjustment of half a millisecond, the flow through the valve is much better and that the flow is adjusted for all calibers separately. The regulator can be reduced under pressure without damage, which is not the case with Daystate. Those are huge differences!!! I should also emphasize that Daystate has been working for years on quality and innovations that no one has, their electronics (which are significantly more expensive than Epoch), digital pressure gauge, chronograph, barrels.
Skout produces their barrels from aluminum by extrusion with coatings, which is much cheaper to produce than steel barrels, and we'll just see how it will turn out...
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I've always liked daystate for their quality. I never bought an AW or DW because I went full on Semi Auto only by the time they released them but I always get the itch to buy new tech'd guns when they come out just to try it, but I know it'd just be sold off in a couple weeks/days.

If Daystate comes out with a Semi it'd be game over, I'd buy one without even reading their marketing propaganda on it :)
 
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Airfuture said:
I personally doubt that Daystate will go semi-automatic and Skout is very likely, because after all they are masters of semi-automatic proven in paintball and supposedly they will be able to go to Epoch liners from FX!...
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I wanted to reply to this and your other post with a few thoughts.

Honestly - I don't see either going semi-auto any time soon. It's not the air supply mechanism that is the concern, it is the mechanism to cycle the magazine and probe. If you notice all of the currently successful semi auto designs, they are hammerless and feed from a magazine. I think it would require serious work to make a semi-auto reliable enough for either high end company to want to put their name on. I don't think any of Skout's previous semi auto in the paintball industry would apply at all because paintball is gravity feed balls and doesn't require a precise mechanism the way an airgun would.

Regarding saying that Daystate has to start looking at a spool design. I'm a bit on the fence. A lot of these companies have their tried and true technology which is their bread and butter. The specs on the Epoch are not that far off from current Daystate specs. If you look at the pressures they are using for the higher power .30s to get 120 fpe numbers they are only about 20 bar lower than what most other rifles would require. And the hamemrless designs are very close as well. I'm not knocking the spool valve - as it is clearly more efficient, but by a margin, not a whole football field. I'm sure similar comments were made about the hammer designs when the Huben, LCS and Leshiy 2 came out with hammerless designs - yet we haven't seen many other companies pic up on those. I will not be surprised though if we see premier models from Daystate, FX and a few others come out with a spool designs in the next few years, but I believe it will be an elite market for these guns for some period of time.
 
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Airfuture said:
This is not a joke, this is a serious matter, Epoch opens the valve much easier than Daystate, which means it consumes 100 times less energy to open the valve, you can set the time for how long the valve will be open with an adjustment of half a millisecond, the flow through the valve is much better and that the flow is adjusted for all calibers separately. The regulator can be reduced under pressure without damage, which is not the case with Daystate. Those are huge differences!!! I should also emphasize that Daystate has been working for years on quality and innovations that no one has, their electronics (which are significantly more expensive than Epoch), digital pressure gauge, chronograph, barrels.
Skout produces their barrels from aluminum by extrusion with coatings, which is much cheaper to produce than steel barrels, and we'll just see how it will turn out...
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At least Daystate doesn’t produce an airgun that talks 👍
 
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ctshooter said:
I wanted to reply to this and your other post with a few thoughts.

Honestly - I don't see either going semi-auto any time soon. It's not the air supply mechanism that is the concern, it is the mechanism to cycle the magazine and probe. If you notice all of the currently successful semi auto designs, they are hammerless and feed from a magazine. I think it would require serious work to make a semi-auto reliable enough for either high end company to want to put their name on. I don't think any of Skout's previous semi auto in the paintball industry would apply at all because paintball is gravity feed balls and doesn't require a precise mechanism the way an airgun would.

Regarding saying that Daystate has to start looking at a spool design. I'm a bit on the fence. A lot of these companies have their tried and true technology which is their bread and butter. The specs on the Epoch are not that far off from current Daystate specs. If you look at the pressures they are using for the higher power .30s to get 120 fpe numbers they are only about 20 bar lower than what most other rifles would require. And the hamemrless designs are very close as well. I'm not knocking the spool valve - as it is clearly more efficient, but by a margin, not a whole football field. I'm sure similar comments were made about the hammer designs when the Huben, LCS and Leshiy 2 came out with hammerless designs - yet we haven't seen many other companies pic up on those. I will not be surprised though if we see premier models from Daystate, FX and a few others come out with a spool designs in the next few years, but I believe it will be an elite market for these guns for some period of time.
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I hope the guys from Daystate, Skout and FX are reading this... Can't you see the difference??? Just look at the differences between the Red Wolf and the Alfa Wolf Safari in power and efficiency, the Delta/Alfa Wolf have a 35cc plenum while the Skout Epoch I don't think is bigger than 15-20cc and the valve runs at 15ms while the Daystate valves run at 6ms. Huben has his children LCS, WA Rattler and grandson Leshiy 2. It is only fair to congratulate the winner otherwise you become an object of ridicule!...
 
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And what's even more strange to me about Daystate, they stopped at 35 cc plenum with the latest models, and a larger plenum has proven that it affects power and efficiency, and they offer large calibers where this flaw can be seen, and other manufacturers are massively introducing this essential item. Maybe I'm ill-informed, so let me explain how...
 
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Not in my budget...

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iAMzehTOASTY1 said:
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Not in my budget...

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My first brand new car was a 1974 Fiat 124 sedan (four cylinder double overhead cam engine) I bought in Spain for $3,995. Brought that home with me from the Marine corps and it got me through college in 1980 when I sold it for $500. The Daystate will hold its value much, much better. 10 years from now that rifle will still be selling on the used market for $2000.
 
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orangeokie said:
My first brand new car was a 1974 Fiat 124 sedan (four cylinder double overhead cam engine) I bought in Spain for $3,995. Brought that home with me from the Marine corps and it got me through college in 1980 when I sold it for $500. The Daystate will hold its value much, much better. 10 years from now that rifle will still be selling on the used market for $2000.
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Sweet! Be about the same time that I have enough money set aside for one😅🤣🤙
 
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orangeokie said:
My first brand new car was a 1974 Fiat 124 sedan (four cylinder double overhead cam engine) I bought in Spain for $3,995. Brought that home with me from the Marine corps and it got me through college in 1980 when I sold it for $500. The Daystate will hold its value much, much better. 10 years from now that rifle will still be selling on the used market for $2000.
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Ok, something is seriously wrong with your post. First if you were a Marine - Your first car was a used Mustang at the "Buy here, Pay here" @ 21% APR, just like every other enlisted Marine. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Second - If a Fiat ran for four years, you must of had a hell of an mechanic. I'm throwing the BS Flag :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Semper Fi

Smitty
 
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orangeokie said:
Now you started it! :ROFLMAO:
This was my first car when I signed up for the Marines. I asked my dad if I could park it at his house while I was away at bootcamp. He said "NO! I have too many cars around here." (six siblings) Sold it for $300.
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I got orders to Marine Barracks Rota Spain out of bootcamp in 1972 and bought this with my $1500 Combat Arms Enlistment Bonus.

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1973 Triumph Bonneville 750 - That's me in Torremolinos Spain. Went on a trip with my Sergeant of the Guard who was riding a 1974 Norton Commando 850.

Kept the bike even after I got married, then sold it to my best man and bought this to bring back with me from Spain when I got out after four years.

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Graduated from college in 1980 and sold it four $500. Rejoined the Marines as a commissioned officer and bought this on my way to the Basic School and Flight school down in Pensacola: (Remember Ricado Montalvan and Corithian Leather! de plane de plane)

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Other vehicles followed about every four years (the length of time I needed to pay them off)

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1982 Mazda 626

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1986 Merkur XR4Ti

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1992 - my wife's "soccer mom" transporter

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1996 Fleetwood Brougham in Amethyst - one of the nicest cars I have ever owned.

I retired from the Navy in 1998. Since then two VWs (Toureg and W8 Passat) Saleen Mustang, Porsche Panamera, Audi A7 tdi, and now Ford 150.
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I give, I give, Mercy, Mercy. I bet you miss the Impala right about now. :) Your vehicle selection up until the Saleen and after are still suspect, but the Bike - Niiccee.

Full Disclosure about my selection:
1969 Buick Skylark - Parents paid $50 bucks I sold it for $200 (High School)
1969 VW Beetle - Autostick - Worst Tranny ever (Marine Corps)
1970 Opel GT - the mini corvette, cut the top off it (Marine Corps)
1984 Honda Nighthawk 650 (Marine Corps - fastest 650 at the time) (Marine Corps)
1984 Mazda RX7 (Marine Corps)
1984 Toyota SR5 ExtraCab Truck (Marine Corps)
1985 Chevy Monte Carlo - Horrible car with the V-6 (Marine Corps)
1970 Porsche 1.7 liter (I love the 914's, can't help it.)
1970 VW Bus 1914 Liter motor built for it.
1970 VW Karmon Ghia
1965 Mustang Coupe (289 w/3 speed Manual)
1974 VW Super Beetle
1985 Toyota 4X4 (Drunk driver totaled in parked in front of the house)
1972 Porsche 914 1.8 liter motor (Owned it for a month before it caught fire going to work on the 5 Fwy in SoCal just north of the 55 Fwy)
1965 Mustang (289 w/automatic, bought damaged and sold later for more money, not enough skills or $ to repair it correctly)
1990 Dodge 1500 ExtraCab w/8' bed
1972 Ford Rancho (302 automatic)
1972 Ford F-250 built a 390 for it drove it for 10 years, loved that truck
2006 Ford F-150 Extra Cab (Loved that truck - My son totaled it.)
2017 Ford Mustang Ecoboost 6 Speed Manual - Great car and 35+ MPG
2007 Toyota Corolla
2003 Toyota Corolla
2018 Ford F-150 Super Cab 3.5 Ecoboost

These of course are not in chronological order. I'll be looking into getting another 914 soon. :ROFLMAO:

Semper Fi

Smitty
 
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