N/A The new mordax

[sigma_rogue]

Hope Everyone is having a great night
Has any seen the new mordax full autos they came out with... what do people think of those.
Pretty cool right?

 

[zerochance]

Hope Everyone is having a great night
Has any seen the new mordax full autos they came out with... what do people think of those.
Pretty cool right?

Heard folks say it’s underpowered. People prefer the Huben GK1 for half the price.

 

[Sawney Bean]

Hope Everyone is having a great night
Has any seen the new mordax full autos they came out with... what do people think of those.
Pretty cool right?

I’ve got its big brother, the Sidewinder and overall it’s an excellent gun. The biggest complaint I have about it is that it’s a very noisy rifle no matter what you do to silence it as a lot of the noise comes from the action and the cylinder area. The Mordax is considerably less powerful, but it shares the same design so I imagine it will still be significantly louder than most pistols of a similar power level.

Also, magazines are very expensive and there’s no way the capacity can be increased. Fantastic accuracy however and the Mordax should be just as good in that regard.

 

[markhooper]

I have a hatsan blitz, horrible hard trigger pull, been told I don't feed it enough, probably only has a tin of pellets though it.. 22 caliber on everything I have..
I shot a friend's GK1 and LCS SK 19 and WOW those sure have nice triggers..
been thinking about selling a few of my guns since my budget is very limited and getting a 22 caliber GK1 for a pistol and a Western sidewinder or LCS SK 19 or a Huben K1 for a rifle.. I'm thinking it's better to go with the sidewinder over the LCS because it has been discontinued and might be hard to get parts if needed.. not sure about the Huben K1, I'm not really into bull pups and it's a tube gun vs the sidewinder as a tank..
I prefer my pistols just a pistol, no stock or scope, just open sights.. and I prefer standard rifle configuration..
any thoughts
thank you
Mark

 

[Sawney Bean]

I have a hatsan blitz, horrible hard trigger pull, been told I don't feed it enough, probably only has a tin of pellets though it.. 22 caliber on everything I have..
I shot a friend's GK1 and LCS SK 19 and WOW those sure have nice triggers..
been thinking about selling a few of my guns since my budget is very limited and getting a 22 caliber GK1 for a pistol and a Western sidewinder or LCS SK 19 or a Huben K1 for a rifle.. I'm thinking it's better to go with the sidewinder over the LCS because it has been discontinued and might be hard to get parts if needed.. not sure about the Huben K1, I'm not really into bull pups and it's a tube gun vs the sidewinder as a tank..
I prefer my pistols just a pistol, no stock or scope, just open sights.. and I prefer standard rifle configuration..
any thoughts
thank you
Mark

What do you otherwise think of the Blitz? I’ve been considering getting one in .22 for a couple of years now. I like the fact that it has high capacity magazines available, but I’m a little leery of its reliability and everyone says the trigger is awful.

My experience with Hatsan accuracy is that it’s pretty decent. Not great, but far from awful.

 

[markhooper]

What do you otherwise think of the Blitz? I’ve been considering getting one in .22 for a couple of years now. I like the fact that it has high capacity magazines available, but I’m a little leery of its reliability and everyone says the trigger is awful.

My experience with Hatsan accuracy is that it’s pretty decent. Not great, but far from awful.

honestly for not a expensive brand, it's pretty good accuracy, I can leave a quarter size groups on my 50 yards spinner even with a full auto burst of around 5 rounds..
so I guess my main complaint is that the trigger pull is very hard, if I shoot semi auto,I have 6 magazines, so one tank of air is a good match.. but I'll get tired of the trigger pull and switch out to the next finger and put the trigger finger straight forward along the action, and it actually helps me not pull the shot..
I don't have a trigger pull gauge so I can't really tell you exactly how much it is but it's the most of any gun I have shot..
seems reliable as long as you shoot crossman 14 grain or JSB 18 grain..if you put 25 grain JTS pellets in it it doesn't cycle, so bolt action..I only tried once and when it didn't cycle I stopped and changed back to crossman premier hollow point.. Walmart sale.. I don't know if it would damage it if it doesn't cycle so I don't want to risk it..

I guess the other thing is I think it cycles too fast..1200 RPM..I'd prefer to be half that..
not much you could do as far as tuning that I know of, but I mostly shoot right out of the box, not really interested in tuning myself..
if it doesn't cycle well you just run a couple patches through it and it's back to new.. so I probably only have a tin of pellets though it and I have only cleaned it once.. and it was just starting to not completely cycle..
I did drop it out of the stock and dropped out the trigger group just to see if there's any adjustment on the pull.. there's no adjustment.. so I lubricated the hammer sear with high quality grease and it's easier..
I really should have pulled the hammer and polish it and the sear because the finish is not as good as I'd expect.. like my other guns.. but I didn't feel like messing with it at the time..
it's actually a good shooter,I cut a wasp nest out of the top of a tree, by shooting the limb off..it was a paper ball about the size of a basketball..40+ ft up and I was probably shooting at a 45° angle.. probably around 50 ft away because I didn't want to be too close..I think I used 3 magazines..
Mark

 

[Sawney Bean]

honestly for not a expensive brand, it's pretty good accuracy, I can leave a quarter size groups on my 50 yards spinner even with a full auto burst of around 5 rounds..
so I guess my main complaint is that the trigger pull is very hard, if I shoot semi auto,I have 6 magazines, so one tank of air is a good match.. but I'll get tired of the trigger pull and switch out to the next finger and put the trigger finger straight forward along the action, and it actually helps me not pull the shot..
I don't have a trigger pull gauge so I can't really tell you exactly how much it is but it's the most of any gun I have shot..
seems reliable as long as you shoot crossman 14 grain or JSB 18 grain..if you put 25 grain JTS pellets in it it doesn't cycle, so bolt action..I only tried once and when it didn't cycle I stopped and changed back to crossman premier hollow point.. Walmart sale.. I don't know if it would damage it if it doesn't cycle so I don't want to risk it..

I guess the other thing is I think it cycles too fast..1200 RPM..I'd prefer to be half that..
not much you could do as far as tuning that I know of, but I mostly shoot right out of the box, not really interested in tuning myself..
if it doesn't cycle well you just run a couple patches through it and it's back to new.. so I probably only have a tin of pellets though it and I have only cleaned it once.. and it was just starting to not completely cycle..
I did drop it out of the stock and dropped out the trigger group just to see if there's any adjustment on the pull.. there's no adjustment.. so I lubricated the hammer sear with high quality grease and it's easier..
I really should have pulled the hammer and polish it and the sear because the finish is not as good as I'd expect.. like my other guns.. but I didn't feel like messing with it at the time..
it's actually a good shooter,I cut a wasp nest out of the top of a tree, by shooting the limb off..it was a paper ball about the size of a basketball..40+ ft up and I was probably shooting at a 45° angle.. probably around 50 ft away because I didn't want to be too close..I think I used 3 magazines..
Mark

That’s one of the most informative reviews of it that I’ve read. Thanks.

 

[markhooper]

That’s one of the most informative reviews of it that I’ve read. Thanks.

ask away.. I'll try to answer anything you want to know..
you ever travel down through Oregon? Rogue River? if you ever do you can try it out with a few magazine, would be nice to get to shoot with someone else
Mark

 

[sigma_rogue]

I have a hatsan blitz, horrible hard trigger pull, been told I don't feed it enough, probably only has a tin of pellets though it.. 22 caliber on everything I have..
I shot a friend's GK1 and LCS SK 19 and WOW those sure have nice triggers..
been thinking about selling a few of my guns since my budget is very limited and getting a 22 caliber GK1 for a pistol and a Western sidewinder or LCS SK 19 or a Huben K1 for a rifle.. I'm thinking it's better to go with the sidewinder over the LCS because it has been discontinued and might be hard to get parts if needed.. not sure about the Huben K1, I'm not really into bull pups and it's a tube gun vs the sidewinder as a tank..
I prefer my pistols just a pistol, no stock or scope, just open sights.. and I prefer standard rifle configuration..
any thoughts
thank you
Mark

I got the .25 cal for the huben gk1 I recommend the upgrade it's highly worth it ...

 

[MichaelHunt]

I love my Mordax and Sidewinder! I have no issues with them. I don't think they are all that loud, at least compared to the powder burners I shoot. Underpowered? Well I can still kill a turkey with my Mordax at 35 fpe and I can turn it up to 50 which is in Coyote killing range. If I want more i grab my Sidewinder and Ive got at least 4 mags at 125 FPE which seems like enough to kill whatever if that is important. More FPE is cool and everything but it isn't like you're trying to assault a bunker with one. They are expensive yes. Ah well buy what you like I say.
I said in another thread yesterday having the removable magazines is important to me, being able to easily prove 100% unloaded is a good safety feature. The guns are accurate, easy to grab and go shoot, hold air for years now with my Sidewinder at least, since i just got my Mordax a little while ago. Some people complain about the trigger but i don't have issues with it. It feels different if in semi or full auto mode but I've gotten used to it. They aren't better or worse than any other high end airguns just different I've shot thousands of pellets through these guns and they are great.

 

[SpindleB]

Full auto has the whole "YeeHaw" factor but has limited real world use. The Hatsan semiauto rifles i own work well, my bullmaster needs a new poppet. As was pointed out their triggers leave a lot to be desired. They share a lot of the hardware with the Blitz.

I regulate my guns if I can. I use Huben Power Dream Universal Drop Block Regulator on the Barrage and the Bullmaster. The regulator has a 25CC plenum. Which used with a BIG air bottle (1.1L Tuxing) seems to solve the indexing issues the Hatsan are known to experience. Consistent pressure on the return action.

The other issue is adding a moderator. The action used by the Blitz and the Semiauto guns are very sensitive to any change in the back pressure used to cycle the action. The solution is changing the return spring. My experience is that each rifle wants a different spring. Each moderator likes a different spring. So I have a lot of AliExpress springs. Once you get it right just leave it set up.

Right regulator pressure and right spring and my Barrage rarely fails to index the next round. That was a lot of experiments. I have now put more than 2000 rounds through. I bought 3400 rounds of .22 Norma Precision when they were $9.99 for 4 tins. I have none left. Most went through the Barrage.

Accuracy is okay, groups less than an inch at 45 yards (my limit) and on my good days 1/2 inch.

It has been replaced as my main squirrel gun by my Niksan Ozark. A lighter more accurate rifle.

All that and the Blitz is still on my radar. Who doesn't like the occasional YEEHAW...

 

[AlanMcD]

I have a hatsan blitz, horrible hard trigger pull, been told I don't feed it enough, probably only has a tin of pellets though it.. 22 caliber on everything I have..
I shot a friend's GK1 and LCS SK 19 and WOW those sure have nice triggers..
been thinking about selling a few of my guns since my budget is very limited and getting a 22 caliber GK1 for a pistol and a Western sidewinder or LCS SK 19 or a Huben K1 for a rifle.. I'm thinking it's better to go with the sidewinder over the LCS because it has been discontinued and might be hard to get parts if needed.. not sure about the Huben K1, I'm not really into bull pups and it's a tube gun vs the sidewinder as a tank..
I prefer my pistols just a pistol, no stock or scope, just open sights.. and I prefer standard rifle configuration..
any thoughts
thank you
Mark

I don't have the pistol, but I do have both a Huben K1 and Sidewinder in .22 cal. I find the Huben to be the better gun - much better trigger, quieter action even at more power (and this matters as your head is pressing right there on it - it is loud!), and generally of a higher build quality. Add in the fact that if you get the GK1 then both guns will have the same action and many common parts - plus you can get all the parts you need for repairs yourself, and they would be mostly common. Parts and parts diagrams are not yet available on the Sidewinder - and may never be (~18 months ago AoA told me they parts diagrams would be out within a few months, but still nothing has been released). Most repairs for the Huben can be done with available parts and YouTube videos - I have spares for mine that will keep it running for a long time, but the Sidewinder's longevity is at the whim of AoA. I'm hoping the Sidewinder does not go the way of the LCS with no support, if AoA changes their mind on it . . . people that bought the LCS did not expect the result they got; many are just paperweights now.

All that said, the Sidewinder has the advantage of the removable mag - which I only find matters if you take the gun to a range and need to prove the gun safe there, and that could be a big advantage if it applies. I don't take mine to a range, and in normal shooting I find the fixed mag of the Huben to be no better or worse than the Sidewinder's removable mag - just different. The removable mag of the Sidewinder is not like any other you likely have used, as it is so precise that it is almost fiddly (it has to be to function properly) - there is no swapping mags blind like I can do with my Daystate or Marauders; it is a deliberate action. Add in that the mag is two parts and it is worse - a few times I've forgot to put the cover back on and then scared the crap out out of myself with the loud discharge, and then the gun jams as the ammo shifts or falls out from the extra space. Everytime I do it I swear it won't happen again, but I've done it three times in two years of shooting it.

I also really like the Sidewinder having the second safety up by the trigger - the Huben does not have that, only having the switch at the rear of the action. Also, the Sidewinder is easier to remove the barrel if needed to clear a jam, but the Huben is not hard once you learn it - and you don't have to readjust the location of the barrel every time like you do with the Sidewinder - barrel position is a balancing act on clearance to the magazine, balancing air/noise escaping the action and running without inducing jams.

As others have said the full auto really is not that useful - good for giggles, but that's about it. With the Huben's better trigger, I can do double or triple taps much faster than with the Sidewinder in semi mode, and about as fast as the Sidewinder in full auto (the Huben resets off the second stage, while the Sidewinder in semi needs almost a full release to reset). I think if the full auto had a 2 or 3 round burst mode it would be much more useable.

Good luck deciding!

 

[Cranky1]

I’ve had and sold 2 L2 and a sidewinder s. I’ve got a gk1 and lcs still, so far they have been my favorite. I like the triggers better in them, I have noticed at higher pressure(regulated or unregulated) the hammerless guns are quieter. The gk1 is my favorite of the bunch personally, mine is setup as a carbine. The lcs I ended up with has the poly barrel and it shoots pretty good. I got it for my wife to shoot, since she liked the gk1 so much.

 

[rootdude]

The Mordax is pricey, but in my opinion, worth it. Great fun in .30 (and in .22). I bought the upgrade kit with the long barrel and longer tube and I’m happy with it.

So much so that I’m likely to sell my Leshiy 2 because I’m satisfied with it.

 

[Squirrel hunter]

I got to test one out. They are a lot fun. I will have a video coming out shortly. Be prepare to buy a lot of pellets and use a lot of air. The full auto feature is more fun then I expected. I went through an entire tin of JSB in no time. Its pretty accurate has enough power. Just wish It got more shots per fill.

 

[zerochance]

The Mordax is pricey, but in my opinion, worth it. Great fun in .30 (and in .22). I bought the upgrade kit with the long barrel and longer tube and I’m happy with it.

So much so that I’m likely to sell my Leshiy 2 because I’m satisfied with it.

What's your shots per fill now? Also, is there a picatinny/over the barrel extension rail? That bare barrel isn't pleasing to look at...

 

[TMH]

It is kind of funny how some guns which are similar can feel & shoot so different, while others which are so different can feel & shoot somewhat similarly...

Of course, all of these are my personal opinion, but to me the Mordax feels a lot like my old Leshiy Classic to shoot. Obviously the triggers and the actions on those 2 guns couldn't be more different, and the Leshiy had more power. But to me they feel pretty similarly excellent to shoot. I had kind of missed my old Leshiy, but the Mordax definitely fills its place really well to me.

I put a big 'ol honking Huma moderator on my Mordax, which I find to really effectively reduce the noise to a minimal 'thuut'. Surprised the heck out of me since I thought it would be more like the Sidewinder - which doesn't seem to get much quieter no matter what you put onto the muzzle. So I started off with a small mod on the Mordax, which was O.K., but the big Huma 40mm was incredible. And since I care more about performance than aesthetics, it will stay on the gun.

As mentioned above, my Mordax does make much less power (half) as compared to my compact Sidewinder (Mordax tuned for 15.89 Atomics at 797 fps= 22 FPE, while Sidewinder tuned for MRD 25.39 @ 883 fps=44 FPE), so maybe that is why it is easier to quiet down.

And for situations where I don't need double the power, the Mordax (in my hands) feels much lighter and more balanced. Same action, same trigger as the Sidewinder, but really an overall different shooting experience. And even though my Mordax is slightly longer than my compact Sidewinder, the Mordax just feels more handy when walking around. But then again, it could be that my Sidewinder is more set up to shoot from the bench top with that big Helix scope up top.

It was noted by one individual above that the Huben K1 seemed to be of higher build quality as compared to the Western guns. While my K1 is of very good build quality and all of my Hubens have been durable (and trouble free), to me the Westerns are just a slight step up as compared to the Hubens. Just an opinion thing, but in no way do I see the Westerns being of a lower build quality as compared to Hubens.

One other issue with the Western guns (especially the Mordax) - or maybe just more of a personal problem of mine... They have sent me down the rabbit hole of 'mini carbine-izing' some of my other pistols. Thanks to all those others on AGN who have blazed the trail on performing these mods. I have just finished the two below, and haven't even shot them yet as carbines. But I have high hopes!

I think that the only gun I'm going to leave as a pistol is the Manul.

 

[rootdude]

It is kind of funny how some guns which are similar can feel & shoot so different, while others which are so different can feel & shoot somewhat similarly...

Of course, all of these are my personal opinion, but to me the Mordax feels a lot like my old Leshiy Classic to shoot. Obviously the triggers and the actions on those 2 guns couldn't be more different, and the Leshiy had more power. But to me they feel pretty similarly excellent to shoot. I had kind of missed my old Leshiy, but the Mordax definitely fills its place really well to me.

I put a big 'ol honking Huma moderator on my Mordax, which I find to really effectively reduce the noise to a minimal 'thuut'. Surprised the heck out of me since I thought it would be more like the Sidewinder - which doesn't seem to get much quieter no matter what you put onto the muzzle. So I started off with a small mod on the Mordax, which was O.K., but the big Huma 40mm was incredible. And since I care more about performance than aesthetics, it will stay on the gun.

As mentioned above, my Mordax does make much less power (half) as compared to my compact Sidewinder (Mordax tuned for 15.89 Atomics at 797 fps= 22 FPE, while Sidewinder tuned for MRD 25.39 @ 883 fps=44 FPE), so maybe that is why it is easier to quiet down.

And for situations where I don't need double the power, the Mordax (in my hands) feels much lighter and more balanced. Same action, same trigger as the Sidewinder, but really an overall different shooting experience. And even though my Mordax is slightly longer than my compact Sidewinder, the Mordax just feels more handy when walking around. But then again, it could be that my Sidewinder is more set up to shoot from the bench top with that big Helix scope up top.

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It was noted by one individual above that the Huben K1 seemed to be of higher build quality as compared to the Western guns. While my K1 is of very good build quality and all of my Hubens have been durable (and trouble free), to me the Westerns are just a slight step up as compared to the Hubens. Just an opinion thing, but in no way do I see the Westerns being of a lower build quality as compared to Hubens.

One other issue with the Western guns (especially the Mordax) - or maybe just more of a personal problem of mine... They have sent me down the rabbit hole of 'mini carbine-izing' some of my other pistols. Thanks to all those others on AGN who have blazed the trail on performing these mods. I have just finished the two below, and haven't even shot them yet as carbines. But I have high hopes!

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I think that the only gun I'm going to leave as a pistol is the Manul.

You and I need to exchange notes.

I'm similarly down the mini-carbine rabbit hole hard.

Like those butt-pads you have installed on your Buck-Rail stock... link?

I just today moved my shogun over to my mordax to see if I can get the same results you mentioned. The 0DB. Buck Rail and Tanto didn't fare well for a ton of suppression

I'm also liiking your Sidewinder S...

Peace,
Mark

 

[rootdude]

Of course, all of these are my personal opinion, but to me the Mordax feels a lot like my old Leshiy Classic to shoot. Obviously the triggers and the actions on those 2 guns couldn't be more different, and the Leshiy had more power. But to me they feel pretty similarly excellent to shoot. I had kind of missed my old Leshiy, but the Mordax definitely fills its place really well to me.

I own a Leshiy Classic in .30 and the Mordax in .30, and my conclusion is a little different.

The Leshiy Classic in .30 is literally a beast, not a gnome. Mine was recently re-sealed and tuned by Derrick Wall, and it's now laying down 52FPE while showing off it's near silence (I upgraded the internals of the shroud with STO) and absolute rugged reliability.

The Mordax is more refined, and the fun button is a welcome addition, but it is much louder and the FPE falls quite short of thst the Leshiy is capable of. I'm not sure of reliabilty of the Mordax yet.

I love them both as I do my different iterations of my GK1s.

It's amazing how far we've come, and it's similarly awesome that airguns that preceeded the Mordax and GK1 are still extremely relevant.

 

[TMH]

You and I need to exchange notes...

Exchange notes?!? We just exchange guns!

1) I bought your Manul off of you from the AGN Classifieds;
2) That is your first Mordax (which you bought when the .30 cal was delayed) which I bought off AoA's pre-owned page!

Link to the Magpul buttpads:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004IFU2YW

I bought the 0.8" 'PRS Extended' models. Gave me the thickness I wanted, and already included the countersunk holes. It is a clean and secure enough hold just using sheet metal screws into the slots of the Buck Rail butt plate. Or could use machine screws & nuts.