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Damn - does every Skout thread have to digress into this petty bs. Parts made in China, looks like every other new style bullpup with a bottle - who gives a hoot, really!!?! I just wanna see how the gun shoots and operates. And is it winner.


While I agree with the sentiment but you can’t discount that fact the price is way up there which naturally triggers the “nitpicking”. If a new car priced same as Porsche or Ferrari with the same performance but ugly(to you) and made in China, would you buy it?

If the gun retails for $1000 then many will assume made in China parts while waiting in line to get one to try.
 
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While I agree with the sentiment but you can’t discount that fact the price is way up there which naturally triggers the “nitpicking”.
At about $3K, same as the Delta Wolf, I don’t think it’s overpriced. My concern is that since the time they set the price inflation has gone through the roof, everything costs more including transportation. So I’m concerned the price will step jump closer to $4K than $3K after a quarter or two.
 
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At about $3K, same as the Delta Wolf, I don’t think it’s overpriced. My concern is that since the time they set the price inflation has gone through the roof, everything costs more including transportation. So I’m concerned the price will step jump closer to $4K than $3K after a quarter or two.
Centercut; You are spot on. Inflation has gone through the roof, We orignially had the gun priced out at 2,750 at last years shot show. But things have increased and we are happy where we are now, and have NO intentions of increasing pricing.~Darryl
 
I hope so. I’d love to see you succeed in the big competitions. The Northeast one seems like a good start, but it’s not RMAC or EBR.

Well, if only I could've won either of those BEFORE I ever competed in either! Wouldn't that have saved me a lot of trouble and years of effort ?!?! LoL.... Seriously though, all of these things remain to be seen and one can speculate before the fact, but what's the point. The fact is, you WILL see the gun at major competitions and given the time and refinement, exposure and a little good fortune, on the podium as well.
 
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Well, if only I could've won either of those BEFORE I ever competed in either! Wouldn't that have saved me a lot of trouble and years of effort ?!?! LoL.... Seriously though, all of these things remain to be seen and one can speculate before the fact, but what's the point. The fact is, you WILL see the gun at major competitions and given the time and refinement, exposure and a little good fortune, on the podium as well.
Awesome. It would be great to know WHO will be shooting the Epoch at the big events this year. Any ideas? Thanks.
 
At about $3K, same as the Delta Wolf, I don’t think it’s overpriced. My concern is that since the time they set the price inflation has gone through the roof, everything costs more including transportation. So I’m concerned the price will step jump closer to $4K than $3K after a quarter or two.

$2950 retail means over 3000 bones for most people after tax and shipping before adding air, scope and ammo. It also is peer in price with well regarded Daystate flagship guns and well above(50% more) FX top offering AND within stone throw away from custom hand made guns like Thomas. Not a good entry point for a new player in an established/competitive market IMHO but what do I know.


However, to my earlier point the high (to me) price point naturally triggers “nitpicking” from the general population on every little detail. If the price were $1000-1500 then the conversation would be completely different. There aren’t many who can afford a $3000 dollar gun and those who can afford it are generally more discerning. Again, a lot of effort for not as many buyers, enter low and work toward higher end models seems to be a winning formula for a few other airgun makers. Only time will tell if Skout made the right decisions, hope they can walk the walk. Their current approach certainly seems to be go big or go home.
 
If it is a fact that their internal ballistics in paintball have worked flawlessly for years, ie all their components (regulators, triggers, solenoid, valve, electronics) why wouldn't they work well in PCPs. The only unknown is the quality of their barrels and how much energy they can deliver for each caliber and with what efficiency...
It's unknown to YOU ATM, it isn't unknown to either SKOUT or those of us who've had the good fortune to have hands-on experience with the guns. That's specifically why we in the social media segment of the industry attempt to provide you with such previews. It's very difficult to know anything more than what you are told until you've actually had an opportunity to experience a thing yourself. Over the years, I've learned to tailor all my comments about anything to reflect ONLY my hopes and desires about anything I've not yet laid hands on, until I've actually had the necessary personal interaction.
 
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At about $3K, same as the Delta Wolf, I don’t think it’s overpriced. My concern is that since the time they set the price inflation has gone through the roof, everything costs more including transportation. So I’m concerned the price will step jump closer to $4K than $3K after a quarter or two.

The Delta Wolf has actually dropped in price. AoA is selling them for $2695 now.
 
Right, you're talking about looks.


So the Impact

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Looks the same as these? "only difference is tube vs bottle"

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Maybe if I squint really hard. Just because I'm holding you account for what you say doesn't mean you can just dismiss my points and say my panties are in a twist because I don't agree with you. It's a slippery tactic.

But I guess easier than admitting you're just talking out your backside.

I think the closer comparison would be the original RTI Priest. Both the Priest and the OG Impact launched in 2016. I’m not sure which one technically came first that year but they look similar…

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I think the closer comparison would be the original RTI Priest. Both the Priest and the OG Impact launched in 2016. I’m not sure which one technically came first that year but they look similar…

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I'm pretty sure the Impact was out first.

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Awesome. It would be great to know WHO will be shooting the Epoch at the big events this year. Any ideas? Thanks.
Well, at this time it's Jerry's and my intention to be competing with the 35" (889mm) .25 caliber version of the gun. However, since the release version of the .25 was not yet available during our latest foray, that intent, may be forced to change. What I can tell you is that the .30 caliber 35", (-) barrel version is already more than capable of winning any BR competition out to 100 yds. (that has been the limit of our testing to date). The 25" (+ and 0) barrel versions were also very accurate and in the right hands is also supremely accurate. Our experience with the .25 was limited to 25" (+) barrel version which was still only a prototype barrel. We were less successful with that configuration. I believe a bit more tweaking will be necessary to get it up to the standard that I require but I'm quite certain that it will get there. Beyond the two of us, I wouldn't have a clue who might get on board between now and June. If things go as I hope they will, I think you'll be seeing a lot of these guns on benches at competitions around the world.
 
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I'm pretty sure the Impact was out first.

Very likely. Both guns being launched in the same year means they were both developed concurrently (most likely) I doubt RTI saw the impact and then whipped up the priest in a couple months and conversely, I doubt FX saw the priest in development and copied that style. I imagine this takes a lot of work behind the scenes to bring a rifle to market.

The tactical style of both guns was heavily influenced by the AR15. There’s only so many ways to lay out a bottle bullpup and these aesthetic similarities between all the guns are because they’re all aiming for a style that was popular (and still is).
 
It's unknown to YOU ATM, it isn't unknown to either SKOUT or those of us who've had the good fortune to have hands-on experience with the guns. That's specifically why we in social media portion of the industry attempt to provide you with such previews. It's very difficult to know anything more than what you are told until you've actually had an opportunity to experience a thing yourself. Over the years, I've learned to tailor all my comments about anything to reflect ONLY my hopes and desires about anything I've not yet laid hands on, until I've actually had the necessary personal interaction.
I think that the information about the max fpe for each caliber and the number of such shots is the basic information that we should already have, and the barrels / accessories for barrels will certainly show up after some time. My preference is a .17 cal with a fast twist rate and heavy and long slugs...
 
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Well, at this time it is my and Jerry's intention to be competing with the 35" (889mm) .25 caliber version of the gun. However, since the release version of the .25 was not yet available during our latest foray, that intent, may be forced to change. What I can tell you is that the .30 caliber 35", (-) barrel version is already more than capable of winning any BR competition out to 100 yds. (that has been the limit of our testing to date). The 25" (+ and 0) barrel versions were also very accurate and in the right hands is also supremely accurate. Our experience with the .25 was limited to 25" (+) barrel version which was still only a prototype barrel. We were less successful with that configuration. I believe a bit more tweaking will be necessary to get it up to the standard that I require but I'm quite certain that it will get there. Beyond the two of us, I wouldn't have a clue who might get on board between now and June. If things go I hope they will, I think you'll be seeing a lot of these guns on benches at competitions around the world.
Gotcha. Can you explain the reason for using the 35” barrel in a 100Y pellet competition where you’ll be shooting about 80 FPE compared to the 25” version? I’m curious since most guns that shoot 23” barrels have more than enough barrel length to make enough accurate power. Thanks.
I haven’t seen you at those events, and Jerry has attended RMAC and done OK, so that’s good. I’m sure a couple more will come on board after the Northeast Classic.
 
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