i figure i have finally worked enough overtime and now it is time to invest in a compressor. i am thinking of going with the shoebox f 10 as i really like the videos on how to rebuild. i have a 9l carbon fiber tank a wild cat mk2 and a gauntlet. think this will work alright?
time for a compressor!!
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From what I've seen of the shoebox on youtube videos, it's overpriced for what it is
I have the Chinese made Yong Heng compressor - best one they make (adjustable pressure auto-stop) and apart from being noisy, it's efficient and works faultlessly
I bought mine through Chinese website aliexpress.com, but you can buy them through Amazon or eBay
I have the Chinese made Yong Heng compressor - best one they make (adjustable pressure auto-stop) and apart from being noisy, it's efficient and works faultlessly
I bought mine through Chinese website aliexpress.com, but you can buy them through Amazon or eBay
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Red one is shoebox and costs $499 and needs shop compressor to power first stage
Blue one is Yong Heng - does not need shop compressor as it is a 2 stage compressor - has more than 10x air flow than shoebox, and costs less
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SteveUK
I have the Chinese made Yong Heng compressor - best one they make (adjustable pressure auto-stop) and apart from being noisy, it's efficient and works faultlessly
Glad to know yours is working “faultlessly” but I read a LOT of posts here of people having problems with them ALL the time.
I have the Chinese made Yong Heng compressor - best one they make (adjustable pressure auto-stop) and apart from being noisy, it's efficient and works faultlessly
Glad to know yours is working “faultlessly” but I read a LOT of posts here of people having problems with them ALL the time.
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As many problems as I have heard about those Chicom compressors that use cold water to cool them down … I'd be hard pressed to sink my money into them … but that's just my own personal opinion. I just want to hook the bottle up to the compressor, set the timer and fill pressure and let her rip.
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By the time you add all the pieces to give one of the Chinese decent water separation, adjustable auto shut off, and auto purge, the cheap option isn't so 'cheap' anymore. Add to that the questions surrounding durability and parts/service, and you've got a non-starter in my opinion. I think one of the $1200 - $1600 entry level machines is a much more cost effective approach.
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I have a first gen shoebox , a Yong Heng knockoff and a Carette . Do yourself a favor and continue saving for a better compressor . It hurts a little to spend 1k + on a compressor but it will save you time , money , and frustration in the long run . My shoebox was painfully slow , so much so that I just went back to hand pumping . The Yong Heng is worth the money IF you get a good one , mine is now a paper weight after filling My crown 4 times . My Carette has been worth every penny , coming up on 15 hrs run time with zero issues .
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The most expensive Yong Heng has oil/water separation and adjustable pressure auto-stop - I got that model, as it was not much more expensive than the 3 cheaper versions (they all weigh about the same, and shipping from China is a large part of the price you pay for the compressor)
You can buy an external moisture filter - even get one with a moisture/charcoal element for breathing air - but you have to get a good one that keeps the air inside the filter under pressure, keeps the active beads away from the filter walls, and has a drain tap - The Airgun Scientist Joe Brancato on youtube has a couple of videos about it https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRIXShct9z7lfUkScC6r8Pw
You can buy an external moisture filter - even get one with a moisture/charcoal element for breathing air - but you have to get a good one that keeps the air inside the filter under pressure, keeps the active beads away from the filter walls, and has a drain tap - The Airgun Scientist Joe Brancato on youtube has a couple of videos about it https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRIXShct9z7lfUkScC6r8Pw
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That's what I wanted as well - and what I've got
I fill my rifles directly, so I manage fine with a small permanent water tank above the compressor - I re-purposed an old TV/video stand with castors - compressor below, water tank above, easy to wheel about if necessary
Filling a large tank is going to be a different story, as the re-circulated water would soon get hot - for that scenario I would site the compressor near a sink, or outside tap and drain - don't re-circulate the water - fresh cold water from the tap though the compressor, and out and down the drain
NOTE: people with problems with compressor getting hot - no instructions usually with these compressors - you have to specifically ask for instructions to be included - the cold water goes in at the bottom connector, and out at the top connector - not logical, and not the way most people connect the water supply - but that's the way it's done - otherwise you get over heating of second stage
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The F10 at today's price point would seem the deal if long turn and resonably hassle free counts for you as much as "saving" a dollar today.
The shoebox has been around a good while and has excellent support. I use the Altros Booster, even easier to rebuild but I've never had to.
Yes you need a shop compressor, there great to have anyway! I use a $129.00 unit from Lowes run the 100psi through several feet of metal pipe ( free from the barn or I'd skip it) for extra moisture trapping then a harbor freight type dryer/Silicone lube injector. No issues ever.
Now if an actual airgun dealer ( PA/other) carried some LOW dollar compressor and I could just ship it back like with Crosman and get a brand new or repaired- FAST- unit they would be tempting.
John
The shoebox has been around a good while and has excellent support. I use the Altros Booster, even easier to rebuild but I've never had to.
Yes you need a shop compressor, there great to have anyway! I use a $129.00 unit from Lowes run the 100psi through several feet of metal pipe ( free from the barn or I'd skip it) for extra moisture trapping then a harbor freight type dryer/Silicone lube injector. No issues ever.
Now if an actual airgun dealer ( PA/other) carried some LOW dollar compressor and I could just ship it back like with Crosman and get a brand new or repaired- FAST- unit they would be tempting.
John
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There is a supplier of re-branded Chinese compressor (not sure if genuine Yong Heng or not) - you get the back up you require from a known name supplier - but at a price - may have been on YouTube - the rip-off price was a shock and lots of people shouted rip-off, but at least you know the brand name (I forgot already - maybe crossman or benjamin)
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The China made compressors are a crap shoot. Been looking and reading and studying them for a month or so. If you get the real deal its a win. If you get some garbage well the expensive paper weight is its destiny. Problem i keep running into is even the true YH sellers also seem to slip in a clone or 2 and everyone is using the same stock photos. Very frustrating. I just ordered a DAVV off fleabay. come from California. I figure if its a dud i can ship it back cheap enough and get most of my money back (30 day return with free return shipping and then a 1 year warrenty without free return shipping). I think one of the key things is to realize what the limits of these units are. Set it and forget it is not the way to treat these. Short runs with frequent oil changes and careful temperature monitoring are key to keeping these running (provided you get a good one). There are a coup!e youtube vids of the tear down on these and they are built half way decent so the ground work is there.
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I got one that looks a lot like a YH but no brand name on it. It has the adjustable auto shutoff. All the problems that I had getting it setup and running well were the result of sketchy documentation. Most of the info is there, but scattered and not all that clear.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/173318770537
They need a step-by-step setup and operation.
Problems/resolutions:
add oil before running
1) Compressor would not start and would trip built in circuit breaker/ Compressor needs to have the vent screws (at least the low side) open when starting. That reduces the load on startup. Close the vent once it is running.
2) Compressor was running hotter than recommended/ The little water pump should be at approx that same elevation as the compressor. The slide adjuster on the water pump should be set to maximum. Water should enter the compressor on the bottom fitting.
3) Compressor would not fill much over 3000psi/ Cinch down tighter on the second stage vent screw and it than would go to 4500psi.
4) Oil mist and bubbles coming out of the oil cap/ Replace the oil cap with the filtered vent cap in the parts bag.
I have filled my 88ci bottle a few times. It fills fast (3 or 4 minutes from 3000psi to 4500psi). Time will tell if it holds up long term. I like it so far.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/173318770537
They need a step-by-step setup and operation.
Problems/resolutions:
add oil before running
1) Compressor would not start and would trip built in circuit breaker/ Compressor needs to have the vent screws (at least the low side) open when starting. That reduces the load on startup. Close the vent once it is running.
2) Compressor was running hotter than recommended/ The little water pump should be at approx that same elevation as the compressor. The slide adjuster on the water pump should be set to maximum. Water should enter the compressor on the bottom fitting.
3) Compressor would not fill much over 3000psi/ Cinch down tighter on the second stage vent screw and it than would go to 4500psi.
4) Oil mist and bubbles coming out of the oil cap/ Replace the oil cap with the filtered vent cap in the parts bag.
I have filled my 88ci bottle a few times. It fills fast (3 or 4 minutes from 3000psi to 4500psi). Time will tell if it holds up long term. I like it so far.
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i have looked at the yong heng alot but i am worried about set up and problems. with the shoe box they have videos on maintaining and rebuilding. for every satisfied customer i read about for the yong heng i also hear from a dissatisfied customer. so i am probably going to be ordering the shoe box. i do not really care about speed as i will just have to plan it out a little bit. thanks so much for everybody response.
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Wondering which compressor would be the better choice myself. Debating between the Carette vs the Air Veturi 4500psi. They're within $100 of each other. I like the fact that a larger company sells the Air Venturi for customer support reasons. I currently own a Shoebox F-8 and I'm sick of the lengthy fill times. I figure that this isn't really hi-jacking as we're still on topic. What say the gang??? Which compressor is the better of the two?
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It's a no brainer. The Carette is the better compressor design of those two. I've posted in several previous threads as to why.
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I bought one of the YH compressors from Ebay for $230.00 it works great ! 3 weeks and no problems. I do not fill tanks just guns.. I think you have to have an understanding with such things. I fabricate and am a former cycle mechanic. I know how to twek things to their limit. These compressors aren't bullet proof. Know their limits.
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