HW/Weihrauch Too good to be true

[crowski]

I took my HW90 .20 out on my range this morning. As usual I was stunned by its performance. Once zeroed it was flawless.

Odd for me to say, because a HW90 .25 was the first Weihrauch I bought, absolutely hated this gun. Sat on wall after, for 2 years.
A member Jayjay did a post on the 90 which blew me away. That’s when I bought the HW90 .20 and the pump and gauge. At the same time I bought a few Weihrauchs, so again the 90’s sat and waited.
On a post of mine a member Frogy kept posting his 90 .22 cal. how awesome it was at 18 bar. Finally gave me the drive to dig out the 90’s. I put mine at 18 bar, presto, you wouldn’t think it’s the same gun.
‘Love the triggers, on the .25, it went from a danger to a dream. All I did was turn it down to 18 bar. No explanation.
‘Cutting a 10 oz. Mushroom can in half hanging by chain 30 yds. Best with a 97 .22 was 38 shots. The 90 .25 blew that away with 34 rounds. With the 90 .20 today, killed it at 30 rounds. What a gun.

I’m not sure which model was a Beeman, like to see a few. If you have one, or a 90, love to see your gem. Crow

 

[Ranchibi]

Awesome shooting with your incredible .20 HW90 Crow! How fun...never thought to cut can in half before, now you have my interest piqued! Ha!

 

[JEFFPPC]

Good idea for an outdoor match.

 

[iAMzehTOASTY1]

I took my HW90 .20 out on my range this morning. As usual I was stunned by its performance. Once zeroed it was flawless.View attachment 384459Odd for me to say, because a HW90 .25 was the first Weihrauch I bought, absolutely hated this gun. Sat on wall after, for 2 years.
A member Jayjay did a post on the 90 which blew me away. That’s when I bought the HW90 .20 and the pump and gauge. At the same time I bought a few Weihrauchs, so again the 90’s sat and waited.
On a post of mine a member Frogy kept posting his 90 .22 cal. how awesome it was at 18 bar. Finally gave me the drive to dig out the 90’s. I put mine at 18 bar, presto, you wouldn’t think it’s the same gun.
‘Love the triggers, on the .25, it went from a danger to a dream. All I did was turn it down to 18 bar. No explanation.
‘Cutting a 10 oz. Mushroom can in half hanging by chain 30 yds. Best with a 97 .22 was 38 shots. The 90 .25 blew that away with 34 rounds. With the 90 .20 today, killed it at 30 rounds. What a gun. View attachment 384717
I’m not sure which model was a Beeman, like to see a few. If you have one, or a 90, love to see your gem. Crow

Loving it!!

Awesome shooting with your incredible .20 HW90 Crow! How fun...never thought to cut can in half before, now you have my interest piqued! Ha!

That's how I learned dad would say: shoot that can until it doesn't exist. Red ryder and odk how manu bbs later amd poof, gone to bits

 

[MEC17670]

Got a .177 Hw90. Super accurate, no recoil and a great hunter.

 

[Arzrover]

I bought a RX .20 in a pawn shop that had been abused sometime in the early 90s. Ordered the parts to repair it and got it up and running pretty quick. At the same time, I had an RX 177 purchased new from Beeman. I'm sure the 177 was over pressured... it was very difficult to cock and 10.5s were around 1000 ft/sec. It was difficult to shoot and not fun. The .20 was the opposite... at 820 w 14.3s, it was amazing...
Then one weekend while camping around 7000 ft elevation, I was plinking at different things and occasionally some paper. At 25 yds, not much bigger than the pellet was a typical group... then one shot to the next... NOT. A LOT of troubleshooting later, never did figure it out... so I sold it. That's likely one of the very few I regret selling. It was SO smooth and accurate for a good while.
Fast forward a couple of years, a friend had a Theoben Eliminator in 22 that did the exact same thing. After a good bit of research and troubleshooting, turns out that the combustion of the firing cycle fouled the breech enough to make it tighter and tighter till accuracy went bye bye. A good scrubbing w a brass brush and solvent had it back on track but the thing would foul in 100 rounds. Now Whiscombe had the same problem with his higher powered versions and came up with a blend of light synthetic oil, Hoppes #9, and STP that extended the fouling cycle dramatically.
Wish I had known all that when I had mine. It was a wonderfully pleasant and accurate rifle... even if a little heavy.
Bob

 

[crowski]

Awesome shooting with your incredible .20 HW90 Crow! How fun...never thought to cut can in half before, now you have my interest piqued! Ha!

Thanks. It’s harder than you think, especially swinging from a chain. Crow

Loving it!!

That's how I learned dad would say: shoot that can until it doesn't exist. Red ryder and odk how manu bbs later amd poof, gone to bits

Dad was right. Crow

Got a .177 Hw90. Super accurate, no recoil and a great hunter.

How many bar is yours set at? Crow

I bought a RX .20 in a pawn shop that had been abused sometime in the early 90s. Ordered the parts to repair it and got it up and running pretty quick. At the same time, I had an RX 177 purchased new from Beeman. I'm sure the 177 was over pressured... it was very difficult to cock at 10.5s were around 1000 ft/sec. It was difficult to shoot and not fun. The .20 was the opposite... at 820 w 14.3s, it was amazing...
Then one weekend while camping around 7000 ft elevation, I was plinking at different things and occasionally some paper. At 25 yds, not much bigger than the pellet was a typical group... then one shot to the next... NOT. A LOT of troubleshooting later, never did figure it out... so I sold it. That's likely one of the very few I regret selling. It was SO smooth and accurate for a good while.
Fast forward a couple of years, a friend had a Theoben Eliminator in 22 that did the exact same thing. After a good bit of research and troubleshooting, turns out that the combustion of the firing cycle fouled the breech enough to make it tighter and tighter till accuracy went bye bye. A good scrubbing w a brass brush and solvent had it back on track but the thing would foul in 100 rounds. Now Whiscombe had the same problem with his higher powered versions and came up with a blend of light synthetic oil, Hoppes #9, and STP that extended the fouling cycle dramatically.
Wish I had known all that when I had mine. It was a wonderfully pleasant and accurate rifle... even if a little heavy.
Bob

Thanks for the info.
I’ve heard too many regrets of selling a rifle on this forum. I won’t for that reason. Crow

 

[Star7]

My first HW90 is a .177 bought about 4yr ago. It was difficult for me to wrap my brain around. I have had a flock of AG some; BSAs that were gas rammed by folks like David Slade and R. Best and a tweaked Theoban SLR and loved them all but that HW90 was simply over the top. Diffident accuracy with a wide variety of pellets and, given damaged shoulders, a bear to cock. I finally got the gage and a pump and started working with it. Originally, the ram was at 24b. Funny thing, at about 18b on the ram it came alive. I bought an HW90 in .22 recently and it came with the ram at about 22b and was a lot easier to handle. I dropped it to 19b and prefer it at that level. I have just bought a .20 barrel to play with.

For me, the .177 seem to work better at about 17-18fpe and .22 at about 20-22fpe. That is in the HW90 platform. The 24b rams were too much, in my experience.

 

[Billinoregon]

I have a Beeman RX (with the 1 stamped on the rear of the receiver) in .177 from Santa Rosa days. Not sure where the BAR is currently, but running 10 7.9 grain CPHPs over the chronograph gave an average of 886, ES 16, SD 5. It really wanted to group at 25 yards but the wind was varying from 10 -15 from 8 o'clock, and I am a lousy wind doper. The thing sure is smooth.

 

[Mycapt65]

These guns are so under appreciated. I bought a neglected 20 call RX1. Pulled my hair out learning a new system but once I got it working well, it was great. Quarter sized groups or under at 50 yards. Very nice shot cycle. I think I was running 19-20bar for about the same or more FPE. Very nice gun. The fixed detent wore away shortly after getting it working right and the compression tube cost more than I was willing to pay. I parted out the rifle. If they weren't so dog gone heavy and huge, I might buy another for the right price

 

[crowski]

My first HW90 is a .177 bought about 4yr ago. It was difficult for me to wrap my brain around. I have had a flock of AG some; BSAs that were gas rammed by folks like David Slade and R. Best and a tweaked Theoban SLR and loved them all but that HW90 was simply over the top. Diffident accuracy with a wide variety of pellets and, given damaged shoulders, a bear to cock. I finally got the gage and a pump and started working with it. Originally, the ram was at 24b. Funny thing, at about 18b on the ram it came alive. I bought an HW90 in .22 recently and it came with the ram at about 22b and was a lot easier to handle. I dropped it to 19b and prefer it at that level. I have just bought a .20 barrel to play with.

For me, the .177 seem to work better at about 17-18fpe and .22 at about 20-22fpe. That is in the HW90 platform. The 24b rams were too much, in my experience.

Sounds like a replay of me. When I jacked that 90 at 24 bar my shoulder was feeling it for 2 days. Can’t believe I bought another Weihrauch after that. When ever I shoot that same 90, I shake my head. Amazing guns. There was a .22 cal. 90 at D&L, I was considering. Gone. Someone scored. I bought some .20 cals. instead which are harder for me to get my hands on.
Lets us know how you like the .20. Crow

 

[crowski]

These guns are so under appreciated. I bought a neglected 20 call RX1. Pulled my hair out learning a new system but once I got it working well, it was great. Quarter sized groups or under at 50 yards. Very nice shot cycle. I think I was running 19-20bar for about the same or more FPE. Very nice gun. The fixed detent wore away shortly after getting it working right and the compression tube cost more than I was willing to pay. I parted out the rifle. If they weren't so dog gone heavy and huge, I might buy another for the right price

I’ve never opened the 90’s. Don’t want to boggle my mind, the springers are enough. Wish I had your skills. They are shooting nicely for now. Later, maybe with more experience.
Weight, you’re right. I carried mine in the woods when I first got it. Almost needed a rescue team to get me out.
Interesting gun. Crow

 

[beerthief]

I like low power so i would like to see results @ 9 or 10 FPE
I scored another TX200 lefty and want to tune it down to maybe 9.5 FPE

 

[crowski]

I like low power so i would like to see results @ 9 or 10 FPE
I scored another TX200 lefty and want to tune it down to maybe 9.5 FPE

Next rain day, if I remember, I’ll tune them down and record. Curious as well. Let you know. Crow

 

[r1lover]

Beautiful gun. I don't know how I have never even tried one let alone owned one! Would need to find one owned by someone savvy enough to have lowered the power so I could appreciate all it can be. It's not all about power.

 

[crowski]

Beautiful gun. I don't know how I have never even tried one let alone owned one! Would need to find one owned by someone savvy enough to have lowered the power so I could appreciate all it can be. It's not all about power.

Thanks Chris. I really find it ironic. I never disliked a gun like that 90 .25. Thought it was the biggest lemon in the fruit stand. Just shot it last night and just it was as mesmerizing as the .20. They should sell them with the gauge. The sounds they make are in a league of their own. Crow

 

[Star7]

I think that at least some of the restricted (sub 12fpe) guns sold in the UK have rams that are not adjustable. I have not shot a sub 12fpe HW90. I have some other brands of gas rammed guns that are right at 12fpe and they still have the quick (relatively hold insensitive) shot cycles of the gassed up HW90s. Dropping the ram pressure seems like a good experiment to me.

The Q that comes to mind is whether the non-FAC power HW90s have a ram with different piston diameters and swept volume. That would change the shot cycle feel.

 

[RUSS9020]

I can believe it. I just purchased the HW90 in 20 cal and I'm still waiting delivery. I once owned a Beeman Crow Magnum in 20 cal and that was the best shooter I ever had and I sold it. Wish I had not. So now, I'm hoping to duplicate that experience with the HW90 with the gas ram engine like with the Crow Magnum I once had. Getting all geared up for it. Can't wait. I recently ordered a few cans of JSB Match Diabolo Exact .20, 13.73 pellets. For my Crow Magnum I use to shoot Crossman Premier .20 but they don't sell the 20 anymore to my disappointment. I hope the Diabolos shoot the same, They are just a little lighter than the Crossman in the day long ago.

Those of you who have the HW90, did you remove the manual sights when in use with a scope?

 

[Mycapt65]

I had a twenty caliber RX1. That's a Beeman version of the HW90. It was neglected for two decades when I got it. It finally did well with FTTs 11.42 and exact 13.73. It would normally group around one inch at fifty yards. Yes I removed the iron sights and scoped it with a 3-9x40 Airmax. Very nice rifle. I'd love to find a RX2 someday.

 

[RUSS9020]

I had a twenty caliber RX1. That's a Beeman version of the HW90. It was neglected for two decades when I got it. It finally did well with FTTs 11.42 and exact 13.73. It would normally group around one inch at fifty yards. Yes I removed the iron sights and scoped it with a 3-9x40 Airmax. Very nice rifle. I'd love to find a RX2 someday.

What was the RX2? BTW, if you know, what was the Crow Magnum's model number? I so loved my Beeman Crow Magnum. It was hard to cock. I'm so hoping that my new HW90 is every bet the same but will never have the beauty of the Magnum Stock. I can live with that. Thanks for your reply.