How does one become an expert in determining what is and is NOT a match grade trigger?
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‘Match grade trigger’ is a descriptor that is so generally applied as to be almost meaningless. One becomes an expert by declaring a definition of the term, defending that definition and convincing others you’re right.
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you have to own one to understand
take a Diana model 75 after you shoot one you will understand the term but the term is thrown around and it has made it impossible to tell what the poster has
best trigger i have is on my FWB 90 you ouch the trigger and that is all of course it is Electronic
the Diana 75's have a MGT a Diana model 10 has one the FWB 65 have a MGT
you see the comment that the P17 has the best trigger i have ever tried and the bottom line is you haven't tries mush
i have Aeron b96 and Chameleon model 4 and a model 5 very nice triggers but not close to a FWB 90
the IZH 46m has a MGT it is damn sensitive had 3 AD's with mine
A FAS 6004, Sig Sauer Super Target, HW75, HW45, HW40 and so on have very good triggers but they are not a FWB90
but there that will differ in their thought just mine
take a Diana model 75 after you shoot one you will understand the term but the term is thrown around and it has made it impossible to tell what the poster has
best trigger i have is on my FWB 90 you ouch the trigger and that is all of course it is Electronic
the Diana 75's have a MGT a Diana model 10 has one the FWB 65 have a MGT
you see the comment that the P17 has the best trigger i have ever tried and the bottom line is you haven't tries mush
i have Aeron b96 and Chameleon model 4 and a model 5 very nice triggers but not close to a FWB 90
the IZH 46m has a MGT it is damn sensitive had 3 AD's with mine
A FAS 6004, Sig Sauer Super Target, HW75, HW45, HW40 and so on have very good triggers but they are not a FWB90
but there that will differ in their thought just mine
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Never seen a FWB 90, but have a couple of 65's and 80's, allon with a 300s rifle. The 300 is fantastic, then there is the IZH 46m, probably the best match trigger I have. My IZH is about 4oz. and I have never had a AD with it.
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Someone who is a gunsmith may qualify as an expert who could make that determination. An experienced shooter who was familiar with match equipment would be an expert too.
If one was to commit to learning either of these disciplines one might be considered an expert at determining a match trigger.
I suggest that you begin your journey as a shooter learning to be an expert at what he likes in a trigger. After that you may gain the experience and knowledge to become an expert at determining a "match trigger".
Many of us have taken a slightly different path. We became experts at pulling the triggers we have. We don't know what a "match grade trigger" is nor do most of us care. We just know a good one when we pull it.
I like an adjustable trigger that lets me take up enough first stage for a clean break. I like a little room behind the second stage wall for recoil. I like a trigger set about 1.25-1.50 lbs. I like a thick blade with little side play. Most quality triggers check those boxes. Some are even marketed as "match grade".
What qualities do you demand in a trigger?
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My Soviet made Baikal IZHMASH 46 and 46M I have been shooting since 1980. They both have triggers that meet ISSF 10 Meter pistol regulations.
My Soviet Made TOZ-35 Free Pistol trigger meets the old ISSF rules for Free Pistol.
My custom built JRL-Verhagen small bore light varmint open benchrest rifle has a trigger you actuate with a remote camera shutter control.
My Thomas <12 FPE benchrest rifle has a trigger I set up to be tripped using my thumb and forefinger.
My HM1000X-MPA MATRIX chassis PRS rifle has been set up with a continuous release trigger that has no first or second stage.
Each of these triggers are so different in feel from each other that when I start reading a post from someone claiming to be an expert on match grade triggers who does not specify a specific competition .... I stop reading because they are NOT.
My Soviet Made TOZ-35 Free Pistol trigger meets the old ISSF rules for Free Pistol.
My custom built JRL-Verhagen small bore light varmint open benchrest rifle has a trigger you actuate with a remote camera shutter control.
My Thomas <12 FPE benchrest rifle has a trigger I set up to be tripped using my thumb and forefinger.
My HM1000X-MPA MATRIX chassis PRS rifle has been set up with a continuous release trigger that has no first or second stage.
Each of these triggers are so different in feel from each other that when I start reading a post from someone claiming to be an expert on match grade triggers who does not specify a specific competition .... I stop reading because they are NOT.
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Then I should be asking you!
How does one become an expert in determining what is and what is not a match grade trigger?
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You do have an incredibly interesting idea!
I bet with enough time, total dedication, and 2 kilos of primo hashish ..... maxing out my Alienware I could alter the Mandelbrot set enough times in progression to produce the ultimate and definitive match trigger.
Time to hash up the bong, power up and check the cooling system booster on the Alienware, crank up "Napalm Sticks to Kids" on the B&O, and go fractal !!!!!!!!
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After a lifetime of working on powder guns and airguns, I can tell you that the words "match grade trigger" are waaaayyy overused in airguns. I've never seen any lead slinging tool of any power source that had a match grade trigger that wouldn't go below one pound, and usually much lower. I also think the phrase, "fully adjustable" is overused. Being able to move the trigger back and forth, doesn't me it's fully adjustable.
If you want to see a "match trigger", look at Anschutz, Steyr, FWB or any of the 10m airguns. The best and closest to match grade on a typical airgun is the HW100 trigger. It is stunningly designed and can be as good as a 10m rifle.
Another misused phrase is "two stage". A trigger that has free play before it contacts the sear for release is not two stage. A two stage trigger moves the sear during the first stage takeup and the "wall" is where the trigger is at it's release point, where any further pressure will fire the weapon.
If you want to see a "match trigger", look at Anschutz, Steyr, FWB or any of the 10m airguns. The best and closest to match grade on a typical airgun is the HW100 trigger. It is stunningly designed and can be as good as a 10m rifle.
Another misused phrase is "two stage". A trigger that has free play before it contacts the sear for release is not two stage. A two stage trigger moves the sear during the first stage takeup and the "wall" is where the trigger is at it's release point, where any further pressure will fire the weapon.
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