tuning on the run ?

IS it conveniently possible to tune on a hunt for different animals ? Say you are shooting .22 cal for Squirrel ,along comes the opportunity to shoot that chicken stealing fox .
Can this "on the run" tune be done and a change in pellet for new target larger animal ?
Short answer, yes. Long answer, it takes time to set it up for 2 ammo options, and 2 velocities. You would need something that’s easily tunable externally. Something like an fx, or a huben where a quick turn of a dial will give you a different velocity. Huben would be your easiest, but my crown is set up to shoot 18gn jsb at hammer speed 19, and I can crank it to 23 and shoot 20.2 nsa accurately also.
 
IS it conveniently possible to tune on a hunt for different animals ? Say you are shooting .22 cal for Squirrel ,along comes the opportunity to shoot that chicken stealing fox .
Can this "on the run" tune be done and a change in pellet for new target larger animal ?
In this example, you're really describing situations calling for standard vs high power performance. A HP rifle with an adjustment wheel would allow different power levels, although not really different tunes. The best solution might be an electronic rifle in HP version, using the lower settings for lighter pellets. You would need to be aware of the different POI at different settings and with different pellets or slugs. The easier solution, just use the HP setup and accept a bit of overkill on the smaller targets.
 
Short answer, yes. Long answer, it takes time to set it up for 2 ammo options, and 2 velocities. You would need something that’s easily tunable externally. Something like an fx, or a huben where a quick turn of a dial will give you a different velocity. Huben would be your easiest, but my crown is set up to shoot 18gn jsb at hammer speed 19, and I can crank it to 23 and shoot 20.2 nsa accurately also.
MY Leshiy Classic i can loosen two set screws and slide a different barrel in place and shoot .177 to .25 boom. so i was wondering about the options in a FX type gun with external knobs but of course no Cal. change , Thanks
 
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I have an FX Dreamline in .177 that I've set up for 3 different types of ammo. JSB Heavies, Monsters and Beasts. I had to record the hammer wheel and transfer port settings and then run dope for each. Then go back, run through all of the settings and make sure it is repeatable. One thing to note when doing this: The more different types of ammo you're setting up, the more compromises you will have to accept in terms of efficiency. For example, I'm using too much air for the Heavies, but had to accept that in order to get the Beasts into the velocity/accuracy zone. So, it can be done, but it is certainly a project.
 
MY Leshiy Classic i can loosen two set screws and slide a different barrel in place and shoot .177 to .25 boom. so i was wondering about the options in a FX type gun with external knobs but of course no Cal. change , Thanks
The classic can also be somewhat tuneable on the fly as long as you have an Allen with you. Its hammer is externally adjustable, and has clicks you can count to know what velocity you’re shooting after testing. I used to do this with mine. I’d shoot 22cal hades, and then swap the barrel to 25cal, and click the hammer up for the velocity I wanted. Once I figured the clicks out, it was very repeatable.
 
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Personally, I am never comfortable changing a tune and then shooting at a live animal without having re-checked the zero with multiple shots to ensure the change has been executed as planned. Really, I prefer to even run them through the chrony first. So not really a good scenario when hunting....for me.

But this is exactly why I've started to prefer hunting with a .25 in that 50-60fpe range. I can reasonably kill any small game animal or local predator with it at the same tune, and it really isn't overkill for squirrels, which are usually my primary target.
 
Personally, I am never comfortable changing a tune and then shooting at a live animal without having re-checked the zero with multiple shots to ensure the change has been executed as planned. Really, I prefer to even run them through the chrony first. So not really a good scenario when hunting....for me.

But this is exactly why I've started to prefer hunting with a .25 in that 50-60fpe range. I can reasonably kill any small game animal or local predator with it at the same tune, and it really isn't overkill for squirrels, which are usually my primary target.
Really i was not saying to use it . Just wondered IF . A situation where you have been after the FOX for a while (lost a few of your herd) and the opportunity presents itself . but of course you had practiced some on targets , i was not saying doing this cold , no idea of holdovers .
 
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I have my Maverick tuned for 21g Baracudas at 930 fps on pw7. I can turn the PW to 3 and shoot CHPs with good accuracy . I was a bit worried that it's really only tuned on pw7 but to my surprise it shot light pellets with good accuracy.

Here's a 30 yard target with CHPs on pw3. Power wheel on 1-2 really slow down the velocity. No other adjustments were made just the PW.

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I have been giving some thought to maybe trying something different with my .22 Huben. While it is very easy to change the power via the power wheel - I frequently drop the power way down to take out chippers near my house, and the then go back to normal power for other stuff - it does leave you limited by the given pellet that is loaded in the magazine . . .

In the past I've done tests on alternating shots at different power wheel settings, including alternating pellets in the mag at the different settings and it is dead on all the time - I've shot good groups for each weight pellet this way, changing things up on every shot. That, along with a photo of someone's mag that had numbers laser engraved on each slot, gave me the idea that it would be easy to just decide to load the mag with two different pellets, say 14.3 grain JSBs in slots 1-10 and 25.4 grain Monsters in slots 11-19. Then identify the power wheel settings that launch each at the same speed (so the scope drop would be close in a reasonable range) and it would be easy to switch for the 14.3s and 950 for the 25.4s, and it would be easy to pick either about 25 or 45 FPE, just by releasing and spinning the mag and moving the power wheel a few clicks . . .
 
MY Leshiy Classic i can loosen two set screws and slide a different barrel in place and shoot .177 to .25 boom. so i was wondering about the options in a FX type gun with external knobs but of course no Cal. change , Thanks
I have an FX Impact in .30 and would say that you could do it in theory, but because the barrel's are very "sensitive" to huge harmonic swings, it may not be feasible for accuracy. That gun has a noticeable change in impact with different ammo (with a scope change needed). I do know there are gun's capable of what you are inquiring about though. Because of the ballistic coefficient difference between a pellet and heavy slug you could do it with little more than a slight holdover change at a given yardage. Just last week I tested this type of ammo change in my AAA Evol .30 with pretty good success by only changing the weights of ammo and not the tune setting. I went from Hades pellets on up to NSA 61.5 grain slugs with only a slight change in holdover needed in the heavier but flatter shooting slugs. The scope zero was at 40 yards and out to 45 yards the POI was within a few tenths of an inch difference. This is possible with the Evol because of the quality and robustness to the barrel system, even though it was tuned for power. The test wasn't really going from pesting weight and speeds tune to a heavier slug and tune like you are interested in.
 
Like many have said there are options for sure. I would say one of the best on the fly speed change options I have used is my huben. Using the heavies the 25gr pellets I can shoot 450fps all the way up to 1050fps without touching the reg but with that said with the huge speed gap you need to find which speed or speeds that pellet or slug likes. I also use a atn 4k pro 3-14 until my series 5 comes in. Yes they are heavy scopes but I shoot off a Tripod 95% of the time and the ability to have 5-6 different profiles for different speeds or ammos is a big benefit to a platform like this.
 
I do it with FXs and simply mark the macro wheel and scope turrets with dots from different colored paint pens. If the zeros shift, I rub em off with an alcohol pad and reset. My M3 had 5 colors, running from 30g slugs to the 14 grain CPHP. It goes against old school logic where you tune on the knee for every projectile, but semi-balanced valves and free-flight hammers will give very solid ESs even when running greatly suboptimal hammer strikes. They’re also very air efficient running in that manner cause you get a very short pulse from the partial opening of the valve.
 
The three Korean rifle brands I've had... Shin Sung, Sam Yang, and Eun Jin, all had power wheels that had a huge range and no major poi change from switching ammo and power. Only the Eun Jin Sumatra had a magazine that would cycle pellets or slugs of different sizes without readjustment, though. The Career 707 and Saver 7000 had inline mags that had to have the feed adjusted. In it's current setup, my C707 has 12 click points can run 22 Premiers from barely coming out of the barrel to over 1100 fps but is quite accurate at any reasonable settings. The S7000 is similar. VERY accurate rifles. My Sumatra is a little less accurate but has more versatility because of the mag and also has a huge power range.

My Delta Wolf has an enormous range available but it's a few more seconds to change power than these click wheels. Same for the Red Wolf. The Ghost can change power in a couple of seconds but you have to set up the reg in a way to accommodate the powers you intend.
Bob
 
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I think the easiest and most predictable dual-tune is where you run the same projectile at two different speeds. I've had good luck with this for two different .22 slugs in my Impact M3.

Advantages:
  • Usually only need an elevation change on your scope
  • No need for the barrel to adjust to a new projectile (this can take a few shots when switching projectiles)
  • No need to swap ammo/magazines, just adjust power wheel

How I've done it is tuned for High Power (normal use) in the 900's fps range with the power wheel on Max (16) then flip the power wheel down to minimum (1) and get speeds in the 600s. At the minimum setting, FPE is roughly half of the maximum setting. The low power 'tune' is the compromise, and will likely have more ES due to much softer hammer strike, but because the usage distances for this are less than 40yds, it doesn't matter as much. Another benefit of the slow speeds of the low power setting, is that the resulting loopy trajectory gives a dead-hold range from 15-40yds. You don't really even need a dope chart for that.

This thread did get me to consider the possibility of the reverse - using a higher low power tune as your 'normal' setting, and then using a really high tune for your alternate/occasional use. The projectile that comes to mind immediately is the NSA 31.2gr which seems to like really fast speeds. So if you were able to tune that for 1100fps (High Power) it would give 84fpe. If you could also get them to shoot at 800fps (low power), that would give 44fpe. Your reg pressure would have to be pretty high, so that might result in low shot count even for your low power tune.

When I experimented switching between a slug tune and pellets it required making windage adjustments which increased the complexity. Pellets also ran at the same FPE as the slugs on power wheel setting (1) so I wasn't gaining the ability to go lower/slower without making additional micro adjuster changes, which increases the complexity of switching even further. Desiring the safety or economics of pellets might make this worth it, though.
 
Yes you can do it, and I did just this with my Daystate Redwolf. BUT!!!!!! It does make setting up your scope quite challenging. Remember that you only have the one scope. And once you get a solid zero for the one pellet at a certain speed you are set, not add on another zero for a heavier pellet and different speed. It can be done, but honestly it is easier to just have one gun for one speed and another for another speed. I can't tell you how many times I missed a target because I was using the wrong pellet or speed setting on the rifle.