Air Arms TX200 MKIII

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Trampus99 said:
I have installed 4 pg4 kits in Weihrauch guns and each were a direct drop in and super! I just got 2 pg4 kits for a Tx200HC for my son and me and they will not work. The springs are 2 1/2 coils longer than the factory ones. I read people get them and they work fine and I read some get them and have to cut them? Why is there a difference I know the guns are the same. My gun is new and my sons is at least 4-5 years old and they work on neither.
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2 1/2 coils longer than the stock spring will not generally cause a spring not to fit.
Maybe you've left the stock top hat in the piston? Sometimes they don't just drop out when you remove the spring and have to be coaxed out.
Call Vortek....Tom will help you figure it out.
 
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longdog said:
2 1/2 coils longer than the stock spring will not generally cause a spring not to fit.
Maybe you've left the stock top hat in the piston? Sometimes they don't just drop out when you remove the spring and have to be coaxed out.
Call Vortek....Tom will help you figure it out.
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This right here. When I installed the kit in my Pro Sport the factory steel top hat was stuck inside the piston. I used hot water to melt the grease and it fell right out.

Also, call Tom if nothing else. He is The Wizard.
 
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Trampus99 said:
I have installed 4 pg4 kits in Weihrauch guns and each were a direct drop in and super! I just got 2 pg4 kits for a Tx200HC for my son and me and they will not work. The springs are 2 1/2 coils longer than the factory ones. I read people get them and they work fine and I read some get them and have to cut them? Why is there a difference I know the guns are the same. My gun is new and my sons is at least 4-5 years old and they work on neither.
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Call Tom and explain the problem, he'll make it right. Not sure why it can't be right the first time though.
 
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My advice is do not get hung up on chronograph numbers, that’s just chasing the dragon and trust me you will never catch it. Try the H&N field target trophy pellets, or the air arms 8.4, CPHP’s will do good in a pinch. And the biggest thing with spring guns is shoot it a lot. And don’t worry about wearing it out there are lots of TX200’s out there with 100,000 pellets through them.

Shoot, shoot a lot, and shoot more often.

All the money in the world can’t buy you that advice.
 
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Trampus99 said:
I have installed 4 pg4 kits in Weihrauch guns and each were a direct drop in and super! I just got 2 pg4 kits for a Tx200HC for my son and me and they will not work. The springs are 2 1/2 coils longer than the factory ones. I read people get them and they work fine and I read some get them and have to cut them? Why is there a difference I know the guns are the same. My gun is new and my sons is at least 4-5 years old and they work on neither.
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The spring and n the kit may be longer but the diameter of the coil is less, so the longer spring doesn’t matter as the spring geometry is different. Or at least that’s how it was with all of mine,
 
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JEFFPPC said:
You need to experiment. Our group for the most part shoots off a front rest and rear bag just like you shoot a powder burner. Several of us are long time short and long range bench rest competitors. Two of us shoot free recoil and shoot our spring guns the same way. The fellow who won our match this past Saturday shoots a lot of pb offhand matches. He shoots off bags the same way I do but grips the gun very firmly. No one shoots the artillery hold. I expect to shoot inside a note book paper reinforcemnt ring at 20 meters every shot. I good group will be on the inner open circle. Its not easy but it is rewarding. Everyday is not a good day but sometimes a bad day lets you learning somethong about how your shooting. We have TXs snd 97s in our group, no apparent accuracy difference.
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I can't help but ask, why none of your group utilizes the well-known artillery hold? Tom Gaylord will be shaking his head in dismay. I shoot my TX200, my Sheridan as well as my lowly Dragonfly using this artillery hold with more than moderate success Orv.
 
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pesty3782 said:
Ordered the kit and added a piston seal also. Totally new to springers so this will be a work in progress for me.

Tony P
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Smart choice in springers. I just sold a walnut .177 200 not long ago for no good reason . It was always a consistent shooter & very pleasant to shoot in stock form. Really nothing not to like . I had the BKL 1 piece on it & it didn't move.
Joe
 
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pesty3782 said:
Dale

That video answered a whole lot of the questions I had. Thank You!!!

Do you have the file in your shoulder or is the buttpad off your shoulder?

What caliber and pellet were you shooting during the video?

THANKS AGAIN!

Tony P.
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I do not have the rifle on my shoulder most of the time. My rifle seems to like a moderate grip on the rifle with the trigger hand, but that is it. I am shooting .177. I shoot AA Field Heavy 10.3 in 4.52.. head but usually weight sort to the 1/10th grain. I lubricate with Bees Wax Furniture polish. I do use AA 8.4 Field at times.

The 8.4's:

The 10.3's:
 
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Orv said:
I can't help but ask, why none of your group utilizes the well-known artillery hold? Tom Gaylord will be shaking his head in dismay. I shoot my TX200, my Sheridan as well as my lowly Dragonfly using this artillery hold with more than moderate success Orv.
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I am not sure for him, but for me it has proven less successful than a more free recoil based approach.

 
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maxtrouble said:
Best way to break in a rifle is with some reactive targets. Paper gets boring to me really quickly. Hang a few soup cans on paracord at 50 yards and practice on them.

I suggest shooting off of a sand bag with a piece of cloth over it to assist with learning the recoil cycle of the rifle. The trigger is great, very nice break. Safety has a nice snick sound when disengaged. Very quiet rifle.

They are great rifles. Built extremely well. Mine had a harsh shot cycle at 16 fpe. It shoots at 12 fpe now and the difference is dramatic. I think the rifle was made for 12 fpe and someone gobbed it up and made it go to 16 fpe. Easy fix.
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American Market = 16 FPE , some guys just think more is better . sales went up so ?
 
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beerthief said:
American Market = 16 FPE , some guys just think more is better . sales went up so ?
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Well, for me the issue was not so much of more is better, but I like shooting at 50 or more yards. The US FAC set-up allowed for tighter groups at 50-yards and less drift. The added FPS when hitting a reactive target at 100-yards, with the added FPE for my .177, is what made me stick with FAC. I added the a 3mm washer before the top hat as it was something Hector M suggested for smoothing out shooting heavier pellets as well.
 
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Trampus99 said:
I have installed 4 pg4 kits in Weihrauch guns and each were a direct drop in and super! I just got 2 pg4 kits for a Tx200HC for my son and me and they will not work. The springs are 2 1/2 coils longer than the factory ones. I read people get them and they work fine and I read some get them and have to cut them? Why is there a difference I know the guns are the same. My gun is new and my sons is at least 4-5 years old and they work on neither.
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Due to manufacturing tolerances no two guns are exactly the same. So is the wire diameter used on the springs, a difference of just .005 in diameter over 28 or so coils makes a big difference in compressed spring length. Different springers use different length springs, small variables make differences.
 
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beerthief said:
American Market = 16 FPE , some guys just think more is better . sales went up so ?
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Very true, americans are power hungry, just look at the 500 plus hp vehicles on the road...Some folks can manage recoil better than others, also the shot cycle can be made much more manageable if folks would experiment with weights and shims. Time consuming yes !! But when that sweet spot is found, wonderfull smooth shooting rifle with little recoil, and what recoil there is, takes place after the pellet leaves the barrel so little to no impact on accuracy.
 
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I subscribe to the idea that you can't have too much horsepower in a car, what you can have, is too little grey matter between your ears.

If I only poked holes in paper, I'd put a low power spring or short stroke my 200. But I kill squirrels out of my pecan trees and shoot sparrows out to 50 yards off my bluebird boxes. I do think a HW 30 in .177 would be fun to play with.
 
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