Types of Hunting, some one please explain

There are different kinds of trophy hunting. For example if you hunt on public land with a bow and arrow for an elk or moose and you back pack in and carry the meat out on your back. That is one kind of trophy hunting. Another type is you pay lots of money to someone that owns a private ranch. They make you breakfast, drive you to your stand. The almost tame elk wander out into view. You shoot one with a 300 win. Pose for photos and brag about how you are a great Hunter. That is another kind of trophy hunting. There are many types of trophy hunting in between these two options. I know what is important to me and I don't understand how others justify what they do. However, I can assure you there is no greater satisfaction than going into the wild and putting your skills and abilities on the line 110%. I would get no satisfaction in buying a trophy and I guess those that do have no idea the excitement and satisfaction I feel when I test my self to the limit. Even if I am unsuccessful, if I gave it 110% I am proud of me and relish the experience.
 
There is all different kinds of trophy hunting. For example if you hunt on public land with a bow and arrow for an elk or moose and you back pack in and carry the meat out on your back. That is one kind of trophy hunting. Another type is you pay lots of money to someone that owns a private ranch. They make you breakfast, drive you to your stand. The almost tame elk wander out into view. You shoot one with a 300 win. Pose for photos and brag about how you are a great Hunter. That is another kind of trophy hunting. There are many types of trophy hunting in between these two options. I know what is important to me and I don't understand how others justify what they do. However, I can assure you there is no greater satisfaction than going into the wild and putting your skills and abilities on the line 110%. I would get no satisfaction in buying a trophy and I guess those that do have no idea the excitement and satisfaction I feel when I test my self to the limit. Even if I am unsuccessful, if I gave it 110% I am proud of me and relish the experience.

Strietwise, you are huntingwise as well. Thanks for stating your position (and mine) so eloquently. If I could have written your post, I would and not change a word!
 
I’m not sure that “trophy hunting” is a real thing. It seems to be a buzz word used by anti-hunters in the media to describe hunting of large and exotic game, but implies that its somehow different than the average joe going out an arrowing a whitetail spike on the back 40 and saving the skull cap. Its not. It just targets different animals.

The idea behind using the term “trophy hunting” is to cause even other hunters to turn against big game hunting. Its a divide and conquer strategy

“Bush meat” is another buzz word the antis made up. When we read about now-extinct stone age, Native American, cultures hunting what’s around them for food, its called “sustenance hunting.” When modern Africans do the same thing, its called “bush meat” and its a bad thing.

Its all a mind game. Don’t be fooled by it
















 
Bullfrog, please reread Strietwise and Gerry52’s to name just two thoughtful posts, to think that somehow because they have their own sense of what constitutes ethical hunting implies that they’ve been fooled by the “antis” is foolish. I am thankful that hunters are not required to be lockstep into some group think on hunting ethics. I do disagree with some definitions of trophy hunting and frankly some forms of it, if defended unilaterally by hunters would make us all look bad. 

As for your bushmeat hunting comparison by modern Africans to North America Indians subsistence hunting thousands of years ago, it’s simply not comparable. The bushmeat trade refers to the non-traditional hunting of non-game animals for meat. Wild chimpanzees and other forest animals are systematically hunted and sold as meat through markets across Africa and cities across the world. What once was a form of subsistence hunting in rural villages, has now evolved into a commercial trade that has grown in scale over recent decades.People, not necessarily anti hunters, are worried that the bush meat trade could help drive some animals to extinction. That is hardly subsistence hunting comparable to the North American hunters of thousands of years ago or even of Africans a century ago

It is healthy for all of us to have our own definitions of what constitutes ethical hunting. To try and tamp down the discussion is not. 
 
I trophy hunt make no excuses for it and see no point in trying to justify it to all those who dont get it. But bragging rights is sure as hell not the reason why i do it.

When you kill pest and are filming and posting it. You might should stop and think a little harder before you claim others are only doing what they do for bragging rights.,Or just for the fun of it.Because that shoe might fit you better. No offence intended just a reminder we are all in this together and none of us grow stronger from this kind of nonsense. 


Couldn’t of put it better.👍👍
 
I trophy hunt make no excuses for it and see no point in trying to justify it to all those who dont get it. But bragging rights is sure as hell not the reason why i do it.

When you kill pest and are filming and posting it. You might should stop and think a little harder before you claim others are only doing what they do for bragging rights.,Or just for the fun of it.Because that shoe might fit you better. No offence intended just a reminder we are all in this together and none of us grow stronger from this kind of nonsense. 


Couldn’t of put it better.
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You’re right you couldn’t. Group think is “nonsense”.


 
Guess is a Bipolar world ... But I agree, that is not way of making conversation ... maybe I am a nonsense kind of guy? ;)

And please try to read all before making such strong opinions (but I like those!! do not get me wrong), when Gorilas are hunted for making ashtrays from their hands, that is trophy hunt for me, and NONSENSE ... (just for money) examples of those are everywhere, and are real as today! 
 
Bullfrog, please reread Strietwise and Gerry52’s to name just two thoughtful posts, to think that somehow because they have their own sense of what constitutes ethical hunting implies that they’ve been fooled by the “antis” is foolish. I am thankful that hunters are not required to be lockstep into some group think on hunting ethics. I do disagree with some definitions of trophy hunting and frankly some forms of it, if defended unilaterally by hunters would make us all look bad. 

As for your bushmeat hunting comparison by modern Africans to North America Indians subsistence hunting thousands of years ago, it’s simply not comparable. The bushmeat trade refers to the non-traditional hunting of non-game animals for meat. Wild chimpanzees and other forest animals are systematically hunted and sold as meat through markets across Africa and cities across the world. What once was a form of subsistence hunting in rural villages, has now evolved into a commercial trade that has grown in scale over recent decades.People, not necessarily anti hunters, are worried that the bush meat trade could help drive some animals to extinction. That is hardly subsistence hunting comparable to the North American hunters of thousands of years ago or even of Africans a century ago

It is healthy for all of us to have our own definitions of what constitutes ethical hunting. To try and tamp down the discussion is not.

You’re being intellectually dishonest by accusing me trying to “tamp down the discussion” and throwing around buzz worlds like “group think” just because I disagree with you. The only person who has posted a negatively emotional response aimed at anyone in this thread is you. That’s a heck of a thing for you to do, especially considering you’ve only been a member of this forum a few days. That actually makes you the person who’s trying to stifle disagreement. 

As for “bush meat”, antis define the term broadly to include any hunting of wild animals “over there” for food. Here is the definition:

“Bushmeat, wildmeat, or game meat is meat from non-domesticated mammals, reptiles, amphibians and birds hunted for food in tropical forests.”

That’s the wikipedia definition

See, they define it as the hunting of any animals for food, with the only distinguishing characteristic being that it comes from tropical areas. 

The only reason the hunting of a whitetail deer for food isn’t called “bush meat” is because it isn’t happening in Africa. 

Now my point has been proven. You had a negatively emotional reaction when I mentioned bush meat because you’ve been conditioned to believe the term is only referring to the illegal commercial trade in certain odd animal meats, when if fact it means any wild meat harvesting “over there.” You reacted just like the antis have conditioned you to thru propaganda campaigns

Its actually pretty racist for us to criticize Africans for doing the same thing we do here with our own wild animals. Its also arrogant for us to dictate to an African what is and isn’t “traditional” for them to hunt. Anyone who knows what sustenance hunting is like in the real world knows that all edible animals are on the menu for people that are hunting for their supper and have been for generations.


 
Read what I wrote carefully. I didn’t call “you” racist. I said “us.” As in us in the West as in how we dictate impractical standards to the third world. We tell them what they can and cannot do with their own animals from afar when we aren’t the ones needing to hunt some obscure African varmint to feed or our families or have to live with elephants destroying our crops or lions ripping our children out of their beds in the middle of the night. 

So what say you now that I’ve shown how broad the definition of “bush meat” is? Can you distinguish an African killing a small antelope to feed is family and me killing a Florida deer to feed mine? I don’t think you can.

So why when the African does it, is it called “bush meat” with a negative connotation, and when I do it, its just “hunting?”






 
No straw men here. I simply stated my position on trophy hunting and that the term “bush meat” has been similarly created and thrown out there by antis to have negative connotation when it shouldn’t, you got mad and attacked me personally and made some claims about what “bush meat” means. I’ve refuted your claims with facts about what “bush meat” really means, and now the ball is in your court to refute the facts I’ve asserted if I’m wrong.

And my overall point still stands. Just as the term “bush meat” has been put out there with negative connotation by antis to make it seem that “bush meat” is a bad thing, when all it really means is “sustenance hunting” in the third world, so “trophy hunting” has also been manipulated. When hunters use the term “trophy hunting” we historically mean it to mean hunting only to take a physical trophy off the animal, which we generally frown upon. Antis have made the term to mean any exotic (meaning non-Western) big game hunting. They want us to automatically see an African game animal killed in a picture and call it “trophy hunting” because of the negative connotation trophy hunting has. They want other hunters to frown on African hunting as if killing an antelope on Africa is somehow morally different than killing a whitetail buck in Ohio.

Its not wrong to hunt African or other exotic big game so long as the hunting is done in a sustainable manner. Where “trophy hunting” has come to really mean “African big game hunting,” trophy hunting is not wrong in and of itself.
 
I answered your post, showing how your definition of bushmeat was provably wrong, with the implication that you’ve adopted the anti-hunting negative connotation for bushmeat, which proves my point that we hunters have been influenced by the jargon of the anti-hunting movement in ways we don’t even realize

The position you’re in is either to concede you were wrong to get in a tussy over what I said about how the term “bush meat” is used by antis to implicate all sustenance hunting overseas, because I’ve been proven correct. Or alternatively, offer concrete facts to proves my position is wrong after all. 

What you don’t get to do is deflect and say “just re-read my posts.” That’s a cop out. I destroyed your point about bushmeat. Unless you can undestroy it and destroy my own. Thru facts. That’s how debating works. 

And you don’t get to barge into a place where you just registered where we don’t know you from an anti and throw out garbage buzzwords like “group think” and “straw man” in the wrong contexts and not get called out for it.

If you want credibility, you have to earn it. And you can start by stop deflecting and actually revisit what you’ve said about “bushmeat” in light of the accepted definition, that it includes all meat harvested in the tropics. From which you have to admit their is no way to distinguish African bushmeat from American venison or from Native American hunting of yesteryear. And that’s really what you’re avoiding. You don’t want to answer that point. Which is fine if you want to walk away, but you don’t get to swagger out of it with the same chip on your shoulder when you walked in when you picked the fight. 


 
All your bloviating about bushmeat, did not comment on my post but on your narrow sliver definition of bushmeat. You conveniently ignored my main points because they were either beyond your limited ken or did not fit into your “anti” paranoia argument. Either you are purposely obtuse or just plain thick either way it’s your problem.