Daystate Uhh ooo did I make a mistake? Regulated vs non

[blackdog899]

Just ordered a Daystate huntsman Monday. Thought it was a great deal because it was a 25 and I have read here that the 25s were low powered and less resale. The real reason for the low price was this was an unregulated model. This is just for cellar and open window to backyard gun.
However I don’t want to go backwards in technology. Think I gotta cancel and choose again.
Mike

 

[dgeesaman]

Huntsman’s shoot great unregulated.

 

[Vetmx]

If you’re shooting in a cellar or a small back yard, you don’t need a ton of technology. In a lot of cases simplicity and reliability will trump technology when it comes to a lifetime of enjoyment. You’ll be fine.

 

[jps2486]

My unregulated Revere shoots great and gets a lot of shots per fill. Accuracy is great throughout the pressure range. The hammer system in these rifles makes them work about as good as the regulated ones. Further, I don't like using a probe to fill the gun which is what the regulated model does. The unregulated has a normal foster fitting.

 

[JimD]

You will probably have a little more velocity unregulated but you will have less shots with the same velocity. Hunting or pesting doesn't require a bunch of shots, however. You can add a regulator later if you decide you need it. If you got a good deal I'd keep it.

 

[beerthief]

Just ordered a Daystate huntsman Monday. Thought it was a great deal because it was a 25 and I have read here that the 25s were low powered and less resale. The real reason for the low price was this was an unregulated model. This is just for cellar and open window to backyard gun.
However I don’t want to go backwards in technology. Think I gotta cancel and choose again.
Mike

For your shooting i would say it would be excellent . BUT (there is that word again ) .25 pellets are a bit more expensive than .22 and a lot less pellets in a tin .

 

[blackdog899]

I was waiting the 2 hour time difference to call Arizona but I think you guys have given sound advice.
thank you,
Mike

 

[joelayfield]

my air arms 410 extra 22 has filled a truck bed with ground squirrels , 70 80 yds no problem !year after year it performed excellent ! and you know " ive never had a regulator problem ever ! no creep , no leaking , no adjustment problems , it never needed rebuilding , just enjoy problem free shooting ! no reg " no problem ...... by the way mine dident have a regulator either , and it will never get one , you should have a problem free gun for lots of years , so enjoy the journey

 

[Trucker3573]

I’ve seen several videos where they perform quite well unregulated. The user can basically regulate one with fill pressure and shot count. Just takes a little more work to figure it out. That gun can be really versatile when you figure out the shot curve. If you are shooting short distances where accuracy will suffer less then you can fill it right up and shoot it right down. If you are in a situation that requires more precision and consistency just fill to the pressure at the peak of the curve and shoot the number of shots in the flat part of the curve. You will def want a chronograph to figure it all out.

 

[rcarlisle]

I think everyone should have at least one unregulated gun.

 

[jking]

I would at least swap the order to a 22cal even if it is unregulated. A lot more shots per fill. I think you'll find 95% of Regal or Revere owners select the 22cal as the maximum caliber.

 

[wimpanzee]

i love my unregulated huntsman .22, and i am sorry to see it get placed in classified, but got to pay the vet bill for silly puppies that eat bad things.
i got it for cold weather squirrel hunting where the regulators can get a little sticky. it is a fabulous shooter, can hit the 2" gong at 100 yards with regularity and the 3" one almost every time, shooting 18gr pellets at average (it is a small curve) 850fps from 230bar to 150/160 bar.

 

[MongooseV8]

Dont sweat it. A well designed valve will give you a fantastic shot curve. You will learn quickly what to pump up your rifle to, and how low to shoot it.

For example my Gamo Coyotes all have a 232Bar max fill pressure but I only fill them to about 215Bar. That gives me about 50 shots "under the curve" with an extreme spread of about 15fps, down to about 130Bar. If you max fill an unregulated pcp they will shoot faster and faster with each shot until the valve levels out with the pressure in the reservoir and you start getting some nice flat fps. Then as the pressure cant keep up with the valve setting, your fps will drop of dramatically. We call that "falling off" and it means its time to refill. Most people just have their fill specs and magazine count memorized and it makes things really easy.

Bottom line, dont be discouraged with an unregulated Daystate. They are fantastic performers and solid designs with very high build quality. There are lots of pcp users that love unregulated setups so much they refuse to buy anything with a reg. Sometimes a simple design is better.

 

[MongooseV8]

i love my unregulated huntsman .22, and i am sorry to see it get placed in classified, but got to pay the vet bill for silly puppies that eat bad things.
i got it for cold weather squirrel hunting where the regulators can get a little sticky. it is a fabulous shooter, can hit the 2" gong at 100 yards with regularity and the 3" one almost every time, shooting 18gr pellets at average (it is a small curve) 850fps from 230bar to 150/160 bar.

Hope your doggos have a speedy recovery. My old lab ate several 22lr rounds once when he was like 6 months old, he lived to be 13yo some how.

 

[maxtrouble]

Daystate has the Harper Patent valve system. My .30 Wolverine unregulated gets 20 shots per fill. Tony at Daystate said they did not need a regulator because of the valving. The rifle stacks pellets and likes the 55 gr NSA's. Take it out and shoot it, no knobs or wheels here. I fill it to 210 BAR for 10 shots "On the Top" of the curve.

Created: 06/21/18 10:54
Description: Wolverine
Notes 1: 303
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 3.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.033
Bullet Weight(gr): 50.15
Temp: 74 °F
BP: 28.30 inHg
Altitude: 645.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
20 893 88.82 44.78
19 901 90.41 45.19
18 904 91.02 45.34
17 915 93.25 45.89
16 920 94.27 46.14
15 919 94.06 46.09
14 927 95.71 46.49
13 922 94.68 46.24
12 927 95.71 46.49
11 922 94.68 46.24
10 927 95.71 46.49
9 925 95.29 46.39
8 926 95.50 46.44
7 920 94.27 46.14
6 911 92.43 45.69
5 910 92.23 45.64
4 904 91.02 45.34
3 889 88.02 44.58
2 880 86.25 44.13
1 865 83.33 43.38
Average: 910.3 FPS
SD: 17.4 FPS
Min: 865 FPS
Max: 927 FPS
Spread: 62 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 917 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

 

[nobody1]

Why do you need a .25 for the backyard and cellar?

A .25 is good for hunting and longer distance 70+ yards where .22 would be less accurate.

 

[BrazosbyNemo]

For backyard and cellar you should get .177.

 

[baranjhn]

The Daystate “sling-shot” valve is fantastic! I had an unreg’d Wolverine in .25 and I never noticed any accuracy issues from changing air pressure.

 

[elh0102]

It's easy to rationalize not needing a regulator. I guess no one really "needs" a regulated rifle. It gets down to how closely you're willing to manage the air supply, and the accuracy required for your needs. If you're shooting tin cans or clay pigeons at 40 or 50 yards, then any good unregulated rifle works fine. If you're concerned about 10X vs 10, then you need to pay more attention with an unregulated gun.