Umarex Umarex full auto

[Flashdoc]

Hi, new to the forum here. Normally, I'm on the Milsurp and ODCMP forums. I've retired and want to get back into air gun shooting. I'm considering getting one of the Umarex full auto guns (probably the Thompson or MP40)

Any thoughts about these, pros/cons? Thanks in advance

 

[thom]

I have an MP40 and I love it. It uses a lot of Co2 and BBs very quickly though.

 

[Sawney Bean]

The MP40 is a very impressive replica. I’ve seen one next to a semi-auto version of the real thing and from a few feet away you couldn’t tell them apart. It recoils harder than any CO2 gun I have fired and accuracy is better than average for a BB gun. Only load about 40 BB’s per magazine and they will feed fine, but if you load them up completely full they won’t always feed.

I’ve only handled an airsoft version of a Thompson and I’m not sure who the manufacturer was, but I wasn’t nearly as impressed with it.

 

[Flashdoc]

Thanks for the info!

 

[ninersix]

I have three of the Umarex Legends CO2 BB guns (auto). The MP40, Thompson M1A1 and the M3A1 Grease guns. I admit that my favorite is the M1A1 Thompson, I added real wood furniture to my Thompson.
Easy to use (Just really fun to shoot) and it takes at lease 5-6 mags to run out of CO2 (30 BBs per Mag). The M3 Grease gun and MP40 Mags hold about 53 BBs and they are good for 3 Mags before the CO2 runs out. All of these look like (from a short distance) the real thing.
The MP40. M3A1 can shoot 60 BBs but Umarex recommends 53 BBs. If you keep it well oiled with silicone oil it will always fire. I personally do not care or want to fuss with the staggered BBs so I just lode it up and have fun. I also have 4 mags per gun so I just shoot away.

 

[Sawney Bean]

I have three of the Umarex Legends CO2 BB guns (auto). The MP40, Thompson M1A1 and the M3A1 Grease guns. I admit that my favorite is the M1A1 Thompson, I added real wood furniture to my Thompson.
Easy to use (Just really fun to shoot) and it takes at lease 5-6 mags to run out of CO2 (30 BBs per Mag). The M3 Grease gun and MP40 Mags hold about 53 BBs and they are good for 3 Mags before the CO2 runs out. All of these look like (from a short distance) the real thing.
The MP40. M3A1 can shoot 60 BBs but Umarex recommends 53 BBs. If you keep it well oiled with silicone oil it will always fire. I personally do not care or want to fuss with the staggered BBs so I just lode it up and have fun. I also have 4 mags per gun so I just shoot away.

I've seen the pictures of your Thompson and I'm jealous. What I really want though is a 1928 Thompson with wood furniture and a drum mag in .177.

I might just have to get the airsoft version. My experience with AEG is that it's a far superior way to propel BB's, but it's nowhere near as realistic as a full blowback CO2.

 

[ninersix]

I've seen the pictures of your Thompson and I'm jealous. What I really want though is a 1928 Thompson with wood furniture and a drum mag in .177.

I might just have to get the airsoft version. My experience with AEG is that it's a far superior way to propel BB's, but it's nowhere near as realistic as a full blowback CO2.

Yeah, it is always 6 of 1 or 1 of 6. The fore grip will be a problem, really a bizarre configuration of steel and wood.
I am still waiting for a CO2 BB PPSH that can either do drum and/or mag, or a PPS. Also waiting for a CO2 BB STG44.

 

[jackinelgin]

I've got the MP40 and Thompson. Both are fun. CO2 cartridges stay on your Xmas list forever.,LOL.

 

[Sawney Bean]

Yeah, it is always 6 of 1 or 1 of 6. The fore grip will be a problem, really a bizarre configuration of steel and wood.
I am still waiting for a CO2 BB PPSH that can either do drum and/or mag, or a PPS. Also waiting for a CO2 BB STG44.

I saw an airsoft version of the STG44 in CO2 about a week ago and so far as realism went it was extremely good. I know conversions from 6mm can be done, but I'm not knowledgeable enough myself to do more than contemplate it.

 

[ninersix]

I saw an airsoft version of the STG44 in CO2 about a week ago and so far as realism went it was extremely good. I know conversions from 6mm can be done, but I'm not knowledgeable enough myself to do more than contemplate it.

Nah, I am not interested in Airsoft, my friend has a couple of them, the battery's are a pain with charging, if they are left without charging you need to buy new ones. So no not interested. CO2's can last for years so can BBs.
It is funny though, the wood furniture for my Umarex Thompson M1A1 is from a kit from the Airsoft M1A1. Got it from Poland (the country) apparently no wood in Taiwan. Shipping was almost half of the price of the wood furniture.

 

[Sawney Bean]

Nah, I am not interested in Airsoft, my friend has a couple of them, the battery's are a pain with charging, if they are left without charging you need to buy new ones. So no not interested. CO2's can last for years so can BBs.
It is funny though, the wood furniture for my Umarex Thompson M1A1 is from a kit from the Airsoft M1A1. Got it from Poland (the country) apparently no wood in Taiwan. Shipping was almost half of the price of the wood furniture.

The battery powered ones are AEG's. Some of the airsofts are AEG, some are CO2 and some are "green gas" and there are some people out there that convert them into .177 BB guns. Which makes a lot of sense when you consider the sheer number of airsoft replicas that are available.

I've got a Barra 400e and it's really impressive performance wise. It shoots at around 390 fps in any weather and gets over 1000 shots to a charge. Where they don't stack up well is realism. They sound like an electric motor, they don't recoil like a blowback CO2 and only the magazine release operates like the real thing.

 

[Flashdoc]

I have three of the Umarex Legends CO2 BB guns (auto). The MP40, Thompson M1A1 and the M3A1 Grease guns. I admit that my favorite is the M1A1 Thompson, I added real wood furniture to my Thompson.
Easy to use (Just really fun to shoot) and it takes at lease 5-6 mags to run out of CO2 (30 BBs per Mag). The M3 Grease gun and MP40 Mags hold about 53 BBs and they are good for 3 Mags before the CO2 runs out. All of these look like (from a short distance) the real thing.
The MP40. M3A1 can shoot 60 BBs but Umarex recommends 53 BBs. If you keep it well oiled with silicone oil it will always fire. I personally do not care or want to fuss with the staggered BBs so I just lode it up and have fun. I also have 4 mags per gun so I just shoot away.

What's the name of the company with wood furniture for the Thompson? Thanks

 

[ninersix]

Here is the Low Down.

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I promised to reveal all so here are the costs of the wood grips below.
When I got the wood grips 8 days later (pretty fast actually) I noticed that the sling attachments were not included; which kind of surprised me.
I didn't want to use the UMAREX Sling hardware (dot not fit anyway). So I had to order the sling hardware separately. So if anyone decides to go the wood upgrade route order the sling hardware when you order the wood furniture.

Vendor King Arms (TaiwanGun Team)
Country of Origin- Poland-
Pollanki 18/B 30-740
Krakow, Poland

M1A1 Wood Conversion Kit [King Arms] 3 pcs $110.19

Delivery Method UPS Express Saver Courier Delivery $39.00

Total amount $149.19

Assembly Sling Attachment points on fore grip and stock.
V Production International Company Limited
(Country of Origen) Taiwan
Address: No. 321 Hsi Nann Road See1, Wurih Dist,
Taichung City, Taiwan 41465

AS-M79P-06-A01 2 ea. $10.00
SCR-ST-3M5x16Z-A01 4 ea. (Screws) $4.00

Shipping Cost Shipping $22.00

Bank fees $1.80

Total Amount $37.80

Total Costs $186.99

So now you have full disclosure of the costs and shipping. All the parts came very quickly (my opinion) and after ordering arrived swiftly. The wood furniture came in a cardboard box with KING ARMS Logo large sticker on the box end and the wood furniture was wrapped with bubble wrap individual bags and with a darker stain than the UMAREX paint/color. The king Arms Finnish on the wood I can only describe as a strong Plastic coating (not polyurethane or varnish) finish.
I intended from the start to refinish the furniture when I was done with the fitting.

Pictures are available and instructions are available in detail on the Airgun nation and other sites as well.

 

[Flashdoc]

Thanks for the information. Does it require fitting/modification to fit the Umarex unit?

 

[ninersix]

Thanks for the information. Does it require fitting/modification to fit the Umarex unit?

Yes it does.
Look at the posts for each piece. New bolt holes, foregrip, pistol grip and stock. I have posted what I did and how I did it. I made the decision that I would not use any of the hardware from the Umarex furniture. I wanted to be able to restore the M1A1 back to factory condition. The the new holes are the fore grip (1 hole) , the pistol grip (1 hole) and the stock (2 holes). The stock requires that 2 channels must be cut into the stock to accept the Umarex gun which is documented.
It is not difficult to do, however some basic skills for wood working are required. Drilling holes at the proper angles (filling old holes with wooden dowels) gluing and filling. marking drill new drill holes etcetera.

Look in this thread
Umarex M1A1 Thompson Repair 7 pages, the stock is on page 7

 

[ninersix]

I've seen the pictures of your Thompson and I'm jealous. What I really want though is a 1928 Thompson with wood furniture and a drum mag in .177.

I might just have to get the airsoft version. My experience with AEG is that it's a far superior way to propel BB's, but it's nowhere near as realistic as a full blowback CO2.

Sawney Bean; take a look at these two if you really interested in Wood furniture for the 1928 Thompson.

Battleaxe Real Wood Furniture Kit for CM.051 M1928 Thompson | Patrol Base UK

The Battleaxe Real Wood Furniture Kit for CM.051 M1928 Thompson is exactly what you need to make your Thompson more realistic, the real wood is luxurious!

www.patrolbase.co.uk

Or

Matrix Real Wood Conversion Kit for Thompson M1982 / Chicago Typewriter Airsoft AEG

Shop Package Includes: Real Wood Stock, Real Wood Grip and Real Wood Handguard with vertical support. Weight: 730g Material: Real Wood - Beech Manufacture: King Arms Application: For Tokyo Marui, King Arms, SoftAir, Thompson, Cybergun and other compatible Thompson M1982 / Typewriter series...

www.evike.com

I've seen the pictures of your Thompson and I'm jealous. What I really want though is a 1928 Thompson with wood furniture and a drum mag in .177.

I might just have to get the airsoft version. My experience with AEG is that it's a far superior way to propel BB's, but it's nowhere near as realistic as a full blowback CO2.