UMEREX HAMMER
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Either that or they're cramming $bills up his rear.
Talk about fanatic.
@Toyman
I considered the Hammer for the best part of 9 months and kept waiting for arrival. I settled for an Airforce Texan .45 and before the import permit arrived they put out a .50 caliber. And what do you know, it ships tuesday 3-10-20 from Pyramyd. Not this summer at two o'clock!
So i guess i will shoot from mid march to the end of may when your starts to ship, until then keep up the excellent promotion of the Hammer!
Talk about fanatic.
@Toyman
I considered the Hammer for the best part of 9 months and kept waiting for arrival. I settled for an Airforce Texan .45 and before the import permit arrived they put out a .50 caliber. And what do you know, it ships tuesday 3-10-20 from Pyramyd. Not this summer at two o'clock!
So i guess i will shoot from mid march to the end of may when your starts to ship, until then keep up the excellent promotion of the Hammer!
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Oh i lied!
I just checked Pyramyd and the Texan .50 is in store and shipping!
Now the same cant be said for the Hammer
So you were saying?
I just checked Pyramyd and the Texan .50 is in store and shipping!
Now the same cant be said for the Hammer
So you were saying?
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Oh i lied!
I just checked Pyramyd and the Texan .50 is in store and shipping!
Now the same cant be said for the Hammer
So you were saying?
EDITED TO CORRECT THE SERIAL NUMBER.
Got mine finally. Serial number in the 200's so guessing there are over 200 other owners out there. I'm betting the majority are not forum users and that's why the there's little info out there so far. Even so that's about 200 more Hammers out there than 50 cal Texans since they just started shipping. Either way I don't understand the hate for the Hammer. Yes it took too long but I feel the product recieved is better for it. I could have canceled my Hammer and bought an Airforce Texan 50 or even converted my own years ago but that's not what I wanted. I wanted at least 500fpe with a flat trajectory and a quick follow up shot. I was happy waiting. Personally I think $1200 is over priced for a Texan but people are buying them. Not once have I gotten on a Texan thread and bashed it. No need. It's not for me so I just kept quiet. Hell, if I needed to comment in every thread that included a gun I didn't care for I wouldn't have time to breath. I think if the gun is not for you, why not just move on to the next thread that is. I guess that's just me. Anyway, back to the Hammer. I videoed the unboxing and will have that up this week on YouTube. I am still waiting on a few more slugs and then it's range day. I will be video documenting the process. Hopefully I held out and the wait was worth it.
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Pyramyd Air, hammer: <<
We will start shipping on 03-23-2020
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Update was changed back to what it was before
<< We will start shipping on 04-27-2020
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I don't mean to step in anything here, but I think the resentment about the Hammer is a little deeper than simply thinking it mechanically is or isn't all it is cracked up to be. I think a lot of the resentment ultimately just boils down to being lied to about something they cared about. A LOT of people wanted a Hammer when they were first announced, it was a pretty tasty package at a great price. But to be lied to over and over and over again about release timelines I think quite reasonably leaves a pretty sour taste in a lot of mouths. Take this thread, nobody has one in their hands yet, and it is seven pages long and is far from the only thread on this gun. Clearly there has been some substantial anticipation for this product.
And, in a way, that is a good thing. Deceit is only rejected in a just society, and a just society remains that way because the collective attacks the deceitful even though they personally may not have been financially harmed. Umarex, unambiguously and repeatedly, promised timelines which they did not, and knew they could not, meet. (lets just say I know a guy) And they did this both to their dealers/distributors, and to their customers. Quite honestly, that kind of behavior is deserving of rebuke. It also, quite rightfully in my eyes, casts doubt on the whole of their credibility. And that means the rest of their marketing claims used to sell the rifles. There is no other way around it, this company spent three years systematically undermining their own credibility.
I'm not saying any of this to criticize the gun mechanically, but nor am I saying it to criticize people who want one and bought one. I guess what I'm really getting at that, just as the supporters of the Hammer were patient and understanding with Umarex, perhaps that should also extend to the frustrations of the community they wronged.
I really hope that seems reasonable and makes sense.
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Lied is pretty bold....I would go with miscalculation and unforeseeable glitches in their first experience at designing and producing a product manufactured and/or assembled in the USA. Working in the mfg industry,I have seen many products that we spent tens of thousands of dollars on regulations, patients/royalties, raw materials, labels, packaging and state of the art equipment....only to have the product fail for various reasons and the whole thing scrapped at a loss. I give props to Umarex for sticking with it with many remakes to bring it to reality. Hell, I just might order a second one for a safe queen. I'm betting a Hammer in .308 or .457 is something we might see down the road and I'm in!
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To say that Umarex deliberately deceived the public about deliveries on the Hammer is the only lie being told. To say you know someone on the inside saying there was deliberate deception is impossible. This is completely false and libelous.
Many mistakes were made with this great endeavor to build the next generation of US made Big Bore PCP guns, both internally and by outside contractors. No one at Umarex denies this. Delivery dates were given with the best information at hand. Nothing was ever done to deliberately deceive anyone. No deposits were taken. Every delivery date missed was extremely painful and disappointing for those working hard on this difficult project. This is not some big corporate deception. These are people. This team is made of hard working people committed daily to building this gun to be the best it can be. Telling them that they are liars and deceivers is inexcusable and deliberately hurtful. Any customers who wish to know about the Hammer situation can call the company and speak with someone personally. There is nothing to hide.
The project was extremely ambitious and the technology is unique and very worthy. It is the first domestic manufacturing project for the company. The design of the gun and the manufacturing system began as a white board. There are many "firsts" in the components of the Hammer and the time to develop these was greatly underestimated by the team, which is freely admitted. Nothing was done with the intent to deceive and the truth will prevail in the end. The project was so ambitious there were many unexpected hurdles and set backs.
The people working daily on the project feel terrible about the delays and miscalculations. They take it very personally. The entire company is aware of it. They are working very hard to increase production and shipments. Guns are being shipped every month and the team is committed to deliver the very best gun for the money.
Many mistakes were made with this great endeavor to build the next generation of US made Big Bore PCP guns, both internally and by outside contractors. No one at Umarex denies this. Delivery dates were given with the best information at hand. Nothing was ever done to deliberately deceive anyone. No deposits were taken. Every delivery date missed was extremely painful and disappointing for those working hard on this difficult project. This is not some big corporate deception. These are people. This team is made of hard working people committed daily to building this gun to be the best it can be. Telling them that they are liars and deceivers is inexcusable and deliberately hurtful. Any customers who wish to know about the Hammer situation can call the company and speak with someone personally. There is nothing to hide.
The project was extremely ambitious and the technology is unique and very worthy. It is the first domestic manufacturing project for the company. The design of the gun and the manufacturing system began as a white board. There are many "firsts" in the components of the Hammer and the time to develop these was greatly underestimated by the team, which is freely admitted. Nothing was done with the intent to deceive and the truth will prevail in the end. The project was so ambitious there were many unexpected hurdles and set backs.
The people working daily on the project feel terrible about the delays and miscalculations. They take it very personally. The entire company is aware of it. They are working very hard to increase production and shipments. Guns are being shipped every month and the team is committed to deliver the very best gun for the money.
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Just so we're on the same page here about what was said:
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/50-caliber-umarex-hammer-to-start-shipping-in-march-2019/
"Umarex USA has announced that the .50 caliber Umarex Hammer will start shipping in March 2019."
“It’s been exciting to see the concept come to fruition. Now we’re seeing the final parts inspected, measured and verified. The production cell and process has come together and seeing all of this has made it well worth the wait,” said Richard Turner, President of Umarex USA, Inc.
There are about a dozen articles like this, and if you use the internet archive plenty of direct press releases from Umarex all in this same vein. Whether or not you consider the above statements, and those like them, truthful I guess is subject to your own interpretation?
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So STO, lets see you first attempt at designing and engineering a 'production' rifle from the ground up, installing a production line and hiring builders/assemblers. All with the interference of the bean counters, lawyers and insurance companies telling you you have to do this different or that different and bring it to the vendors with out delays
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Umarex is not typical of an industry leader in my opinion. I've always maintained that Umarex was doing damage to the airgun industry with their missteps, misstatements, and misdeeds. Weather intentional or unintended is irrelevant. Umarex messed up by not conducting themselves in a professional manner.
What is relevant is the fact that Airforce Airguns and Hatsan Arms stepped in and stepped up to the plate hitting home runs. Both Airforce and Hatsan delivered Big Bore Power Houses to the airgun world after Umarex dropped the ball. We don’t need to keep pointing out the obvious.
In the end the only damage done was to Umarex. To add insult to injury they did it to themselves. If anything we should thank Umarex for nudging and awakening two Industry giants from their slumber to produce what we all wanted.
P.S. On a more positive note, I do think that in the end Umarex will finally deliver on the Hammer and I don’t fault anyone for wanting one. I did too. Went with the Airforce Texan the second year in and very glad I did.
What is relevant is the fact that Airforce Airguns and Hatsan Arms stepped in and stepped up to the plate hitting home runs. Both Airforce and Hatsan delivered Big Bore Power Houses to the airgun world after Umarex dropped the ball. We don’t need to keep pointing out the obvious.
In the end the only damage done was to Umarex. To add insult to injury they did it to themselves. If anything we should thank Umarex for nudging and awakening two Industry giants from their slumber to produce what we all wanted.
P.S. On a more positive note, I do think that in the end Umarex will finally deliver on the Hammer and I don’t fault anyone for wanting one. I did too. Went with the Airforce Texan the second year in and very glad I did.
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How long has Airforce and Hatsan been making PCP's? I had an Airforce .17 & .22 over a decade ago....Umarex is brand new to in house manufacturing.....cut them some slack. You all act like little boys that didn't get a Red Rider for Christmas
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Chickenthief,STO & steveoh : It is obvious, that you all lack the knowledge & common sense for this discussion...
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The hammer also makes all that power by filling to 4500 psi. Honestly that's too much to use tanks to fill and no way your pumping that up by hand. The Texan goes to 3600 to make the same power plus comes with lw barrel. If you want to go cheap I suggest the hatsan. Honestly calling the hammer a repeater is kind of hilarious. 2 shots in a block is maybe half a second faster than just putting in another bullet. Seriously guys they aren't 177 hard to feed bullets they are big pills the size of a Cole miners thumb. Umarex is a good company I just think others made a better product and delivered earlier. Had the hammer come out a year ago it would have sold like hot cakes. At this point I'm bored with it.
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Although I have never encountered an issue with an Airforce product the Texan comes with a lifetime warranty and some of the best customer service in the industry. They sent me a whole new maintenance kit for free when I lost mine. They also hold Veterans and First Responders in very high regard. Top notch all the way and worth every penny spent.
I just sent an Airsaber made in China back to Sportsman’s Guide for a full refund. The air tube was not centered in the shroud. Umarex said the problem had been reported by others and they were aware of the issue. Rather than offering a replacement free of charge they wanted to repair it at my expense for shipping.
I just sent an Airsaber made in China back to Sportsman’s Guide for a full refund. The air tube was not centered in the shroud. Umarex said the problem had been reported by others and they were aware of the issue. Rather than offering a replacement free of charge they wanted to repair it at my expense for shipping.
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The Hammer has supposedly been in some customers hands for a month now and we still haven't heard any reports. I want to be optomistic about this gun, but we still don't know if it lives up to the hype, and it is unobtanium again.
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The Hammer is still NOT available to Air Venturi Dealers. This would seem to be indicative that Umarex is only filling pre orders at this point!!
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Now some actual numbers from a reputeable source: Mr Hollowpoint!
Interesting thing is the box itself which only claims 705ftlbs at best, not over 800ftlbs like before it was released:
And here's some actual measured speeds:
Here it's revealed that the Hammer is an airhog (big time):
Edit: Crud it wont accept advanced youtube links. No matter at @17:53 the revelation begins.
From 4500psi to 2400psi in two shots. Bad/sloppy valve design???
See the full video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia4X57YLvCs
Interesting thing is the box itself which only claims 705ftlbs at best, not over 800ftlbs like before it was released:
And here's some actual measured speeds:
Here it's revealed that the Hammer is an airhog (big time):
Edit: Crud it wont accept advanced youtube links. No matter at @17:53 the revelation begins.
From 4500psi to 2400psi in two shots. Bad/sloppy valve design???
See the full video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia4X57YLvCs
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