Daystate UPDATE 1-9-24 Looking to make the move to PCP world. Need guidance!

The LOP on the bullpups are pretty much the same as on a traditional rifle. Most of the air guns mentioned here have an adjustable LOP. Worst case you can buy spacers used to adjust shotguns/rifles.

Also, be sure to pickup a good desiccant filter so that you don't ruin your new PCP. Here are two I use:

Small 3" Filter:

Medium 7" Filter

Large 12" Filter

The 3" filter works fine until you get to a 65%+ humidity day and are refilling a lot. The desiccant gets saturated in maybe 6-7 fills. You can get more fills from the 7" and 12", however, the larger the filter, the longer the fill times. The 7" is fine. It only adds maybe a minute to a minute and a half to a fill. The 12" can add 5 minutes depending on your gun's capacity.

Toss that Zeolite media they come with and get some color changing silica bead:


It will go a long way because it is reusable. Once the orange turns to green, dump it out in a container. When you have enough saturated beads, throw it in the over at 250F for a couple hours and it's ready to go ahead.

Heppy hunting.
Thanks much! I would have never thought of adding a filter to the air filling process. This is the kind of knowledge I really appreciate!
 
🔘 Mmmm, some of the suggested guns don't fulfill the OP's requirement of adjustable power — which probably means more than just turning the hammer spring around a bit... — but an externally adjustable regulator.


🔘 You can put a silencer on almost any PCP — and if you don't like the silencers that have the correct thread, DonnyFL will have an adapter for you (around $50).


🔘 Treat yourself to some good optics, if you don't have them already. Since you won't have to worry about the double recoil of a springer wrecking your nice scope — you are now officially free to choose any, and worry-free.
➠ If you'd like an overview of options and their specs, let me know which magnification range you're looking at:
➊ 3-12x | 3-9x
➋ 4-16x | 3-18x | 4-20x
➌ 6-24x | 5-30x | 4-20x


Matthias
I am looking at 4-16x scopes. Thanks for your input
 
I am looking at 4-16x scopes. Thanks for your input


➠ OK, here's a Scope Specs Table for that magnification range.


➧ All have 10y side parallax (a few 15y).
➧ All have holdoff reticles (no BDC, no plain reticle).
➧ All have exposed turrets.


➧ Separated in FFP and SFP.



🔶 Specs for each scope — for easy side by side comparison:
▪ Price
▪ Warranty type
▪ Length, weight
▪ FoV
▪ MIL or MOA
▪ Reticle type, thickness, etc.
▪ Illumination or not
▪ Elevation adjustment range
▪ etc.

Happy scope shopping! 😊

Matthias



❌ Attachment:
Scope Specs Table 4-16x | 3-18x | 4-20x

View attachment -SCOPE Specs Table. For 4-16x or 3-18x or 4-20x Scopes.pdf
 
I helped a fellow air gunner tune his Avenge X the other day.
I cannot speak to the build quality or the durability of the gun, but the accuracy was very good once it was tuned. Very very good
The original Avenger's accuracy was very good too.

Before Pyramid Air "created " the Avenger there was the Nova Liberty, my most accurate air gun.
I have both the Air Venturi Avenger and Nova Liberty in .177 and .22 and the Nova Liberty (in .22) still is the most accurate air gun I own.

Does the Avenge X have a different barrel or trigger compared to the original Avenger ?
If not, the better buy is the original Avenger, because the accuracy will be the same.
 
Checks all the boxes and you absolutely won’t find a better 800 dollar gun.


 
Hello everyone,

I asked for input on this topic on another forum that has a lot less traffic. I got some good responses but I want to ask the folks on this forum the same question and get some input from a much larger crowd.

I have been a long time AG enthusiast and have always used a break barrel or underlever spring AG.

However, I am not as good of a shot I use to be once and shooting a spring piston AG adds to my difficulty of making consistently accurate shots.

Long story short, I am looking for a .25 cal PCP for my max available range of 50 yards. I do some paper punching but am looking for a solid performer to take down squirrels, mole, fox and racoons terrorizing my chickens.

I am not sure about how much I need to spend on the PCP rifle + a compressor. I certainly don't want to cheap out because I know from experience in AG world, you get what you pay for.

Things important to me:

1) Great trigger, as I know my current struggle to be accurate with my spring guns also comes from not having the best triggers and hold sensitivity.
2) It needs to have a magazine.
3) Good to great build quality
4) Adjustable power
5) Regulated
6) Needs to be quiet from factory or be able to add a suppressor/shroud to quiet it down. Do not want to alarm neighbors.

Anything else I am missing from the list of what's important ?

I have looked at a couple of websites and have seen .25 cal PCPs from the likes of Air Venturi Avenger-X (~$500 range), Benjamin Kratos (~$700), and on the more expense side Air Arms S510 Xtra FAC ($1,500).

I know I will get many different answers but given the limitation of my max range. I need something that can get 1 inch groups at 50yrds.

I really appreciate your input.
The new Avenge-X offer everything you’re looking for and more at a very affordable budget friendly price. For a air compressor you can’t go wrong with this one from Amazon it only cost $179.00 bucks with shipping and handling included. That’s why I already have three Avengers one first gen and two others Avenge-X and another one that is currently in transit, although if you’re looking for the absolutely best accurate airgun don’t hesitate and buy the .25 cal. From my personal experience this cal is more accurate than the .22 (I have two .22 and two .25 cal)…😉 They are also excellent for pest control, I took care of this iguana with a single shot to her neck in one of my neighbors backyard at over 50 yards like a piece of cake and although are very backyard friendly (the new Avenge-X are even more quieter than the first gen Avengers). The more efficient aftermarket moderator you can buy for these particular airguns are the Hugget snipe standars, I have had tested almost all the most popular brands includinga a few DonnyFL in my airguns and this one was the winner by far. In one of the pics are shown the different moderators that I have tried on my airguns and the pellets that their barrels like the most, also at only 50 yards the slugs are useless only shot with pellets they are much more accurate as well.

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They are also excellent for pest control, I took care of this iguana with a single shot to her neck in one of my neighbors backyard at over 50 yards like a piece of cake and although are very backyard friendly...

Dude, you are so lucky to hunt iguana. Closest pest I have to shoot is squirrels. I hate them as they are twitchy little beasts and require patience to get a ethical kill shot.
 
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most pcps will do under an inch at 50, i like the kratos, should do everything for a reasonable price, although after battling larger stuff like coons i prefer a big bore like a bulldog .35 .. and for smaller stuff and plinking i prefer .22, ammo is cheaper .. a yong heng compressor and a used firemans tank is a good fill setup and there will be several accessories to go along with it, filter, hoses, adapter etc

I would recommend the Cayden as well, but it's not regulated, nor is it offered in .25 As far as a regulator the Cayden has a good valve system and really shoots good without a reg, based on chronograph results and standard deviation #s it's consistent. just not as many shots per fill. The flip side is no regulator creep or failure, that regulators are prone to. It just shoots good all the time, every time. I haven't shot the Kratos but If it shoots as well as my Cayden does then it would be valid contender.
 
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Checks all the boxes and you absolutely won’t find a better 800 dollar gun.


Thanks! Unfortunately, I cannot PM the seller. I have to make 9 more posts or is it threads? to be able to PM :(
 
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Check out the FX Crowns. The fit all your criteria and are quality. Personally I try to find used first on high dollar guns. When you get past your probation period checkout the classifieds. I'm sure you could find something.
I am interested in the FX Crown you are selling. Can you PM me so we can talk about the gun and see if this is something I can take off your hands?
 
I am 6'2" and have long arms. My favorite airguns are my 3 P35s. I got the 25 caliber first and liked it so much I bought the 177 and 22. The 22 is the most accurate, it has produced one 200 on the 30 yard challenge for me but the other two are in the 190s on a good day. One reason I really like them is they are small and light, Under 30 inches long and about 5 lbs. I needed a 1 inch spacer to get the length of pull right for me and ended up making new stocks out of hardwood for them. I'll include a picture of the 25 in it's new stock.

As received, the 25 would not push heavy 25 caliber pellets faster than about 700 fps. I wanted more so I put on the South African plenum taking it from about 10cc to about 35cc. That alone gave me about 40 fps. I then drilled out the air passages from 75% of bore diameter to about 85%. That gave me another 10 fps or so and retuning got me to about 800 fps. It easily shoots through 3/4 plywood now. But I used it for a couple years at my original tune of about 32 fpe, a detune from where I received it. I was shooting H&N FTT which are really light, 20 grain, for a 25. With the FTT or a 25.39 grain pellet you can get 40 fpe or a little more without the plenum.

I've only killed one raccoon, a small one of 8 lbs. I killed it with my P35-22. A body shot got it's attention but it didn't seem to want to die any time soon so I shot it between the eyes and it was down but still breathing so I shot it in the throat and it bled out. From that I think a 32 fpe 22 caliber can work on a raccoon but you need to take brain shots. A 25 should work better but I suspect body shots on raccoons and fox will still be iffy. More fpe in either 22 or 25 would also be welcome for these larger and pretty tough animals. But with 45fpe or more I think a 25 will take them cleanly with brain shots. The P35 is capable of this, it came tuned to about this level in my case. There is also a P35X announced with a big 65cc plenum and a longer barrel. It should be capable of significantly more power. I would not use expanding slugs from an airgun for raccoon or fox unless you have a lot of fpe because it will significantly reduce the penetration. A 25 caliber hole in the brain will kill fine without expansion.

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I like my Yong Heng and my retired Fireman's SCBA tank. If you think you might want to do a lot of shooting with it (and it is a bit addictive) then it is a good setup. The YH is about the cheapest compressor that will fill a good sized tank in well under an hour. But it needs some space and a bucket for cooling water and some add-ons. The cheapest way to fill an airgun is with a hand pump. If you don't shoot it a lot it could be pretty practical. It will take hundreds of pumps to fill a P35 but it will give you around 50 shots in 25 caliber before you need to do it again. The other reasonable way to do it is to buy a little compressor that runs on 120V or 12V (or in some cases a tool battery) and just fill your gun from that. They have 250W to 350W motors which is much smaller than the YH 1500W so it will take more time to fill a gun. The GX CS4 can reportedly fill a bottle but takes over an hour to do it. A GX CS2 is cheaper and should work fine for filling a gun. Filling a gun with a CS2 should take around 10 minutes.
 
@ocdairgunner Instead of a compressor, which can be costly, unreliable, and maintenance heavy, consider getting an SCBA tank which can then easily be filled at a dive shop or paintball shop usually for around $10 and will provide 20-30 fills for most guns depending on size. New SCBAs marketed to airgunners complete with all required valving and hose can be had for around $700-800. Used SCBAs can be found for much less, but then you would need to also source the hose/fittings.
 
Although I have never watched that video I will assume it's pure marketing.
Check it out, a little over 13 minutes of your time, no blaring music or glamour shots, just step by step comparison. Could be a big marketing scheme but actual owners aren't calling Air Venturi out on anything, so seems legit. WM
 
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@ocdairgunner Instead of a compressor, which can be costly, unreliable, and maintenance heavy, consider getting an SCBA tank which can then easily be filled at a dive shop or paintball shop usually for around $10 and will provide 20-30 fills for most guns depending on size. New SCBAs marketed to airgunners complete with all required valving and hose can be had for around $700-800. Used SCBAs can be found for much less, but then you would need to also source the hose/fittings.
To add to this, if you go this route, check with the shops before you buy anything. Of the two dive shops in my town, one doesn’t like doing it and a 4500 fill requires a drop off and maybe ready the next day. It’s usually only 4300 psi fills. The other place can only get it to 3900-4000 psi. I use the place that does 3900 and just top it with my YH at home.

But I advise everyone to talk to the shop ahead of time.
 
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Just got delivery of the Avenge X Bullpup Tube in .25 Cal. (Why tube? Just like the symmetry). The accuracy was great. The hammer spring & regulator was easy to tune as well. Put a LPVO Hawke Sidewinder scope 1.5 - 8 on it. Tuned mine to shot 930 FPS for FX 25 gr. Reg was set at 150-160 bar. Used one of my DonnyFL for FX moderator & it was a good reduction in noise. Filled the reservoir to 250 bar of air. Shoot count was way up there. Did not really count, prolly in the 40ties. For air, I used a Yong Heng (have been using it for a good 6-7 years) coupled with Chinese carbon fiber 9L tank (also about 6-7 years). What else to say about the Avenge X? Get a soft/hard case, plenty of air, plenty of pellets & make plenty of time for all the shooting!
 
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