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@rangur1 - was it you that said you were considering moving to Tennessee? Maybe planning for that can tide you over for a while.
Yes, that was one of a couple of enlightened states my friend and I are leaning towards. Of course, NY drags out it's legal matters forever. But yes, getting a serious backyard with the future house purchase will most certainly uplift my demeanor, LOL!
 
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Lack of participation by the Experienced can and will lead to Newcomers from wanting to join. If they feel that their contributions are deemed "Unworthy" it will most likely lead to their Giving up. Talking down to the Newbies can be bad for business. Ever wonder why the List of Members is usually less than a Third of the Visitors?
JMO YMMV
You just gave me an idea, thanks!
 
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Yes, that was one of a couple of enlightened states my friend and I are leaning towards. Of course, NY drags out it's legal matters forever. But yes, getting a serious backyard with the future house purchase will most certainly uplift my demeanor, LOL!
YES KY and TN do not have many laws about what you can or can't do on your own property and most places 10 or 15 minutes out of city limits and your in shooting paradise . (also cheap taxes in KY on property )
 
Not having a place to shoot that is close by, and loosing friends definitely dampens your spirits. I was working in my garage one day, and went into the kitchen to wash my hands, and looking back through the door going into the garage got me wondering how far it was to the back wall. Turned out that if I setup my portable shooting bench next to the sink I had a 10 meter range to the back wall:) So, I bought a 12"x12" junction box, filled it with Ductseal, and mounted it in the wall in a way that was very easy to remove for picking pellets out. Usually shoot when my wife is going to be gone for awhile, but she lets me shoot when she is here, and from the bedroom she says she can barely hear them. This works well for the springers, but might not be the best idea for highpower PCPs. The junction box has a metal cover, so when not in use it isn't noticeable. I use magnets to hold the targets on the junction box. As others have noted above, sometimes you just have to be creative. If nothing else, shooting off hand at 10 meters can be challenging.
 
I can also relate. I'm a daily lurker on both AGN and HAM but I don't contribute much with new post. I'm also limited to 25 to 30 yards max at my home range. Our local outdoor range was shut down due to zoning issues and some BS. I have quite a few PCPs' that are set up to shoot 75 to 100 yards but can't take advantage of them so not that much to post about. I've been thinking of doing the 30 yard challenge at 25 yards so I have something to post about lol.
 
One of the most painful in helping newer members is seeing most unwilling to help themself to information that is already in print going back years !!! ( SEARCH )
Most seek having an immediate conversation and somewhat expecting the knowing members to take them by the hand therefor having to state or say what has been said Many many many times before. That is for many experienced in the AG world a daunting task to do over & over again.

Myself who has contributed Mountains of information on the AG forums these past 12 years or so perhaps I'm getting jaded & burnt out to some degree ?
I like challenges, new frontiers to explore in design & application. As one might say ... DOWN the RABBIT HOLE we Go !!!!

Just thoughts, please don't be offended ;)
If I could dig up a conversation I had with another member years ago, my words look shockingly like yours. I wanted to quit forum life and go back to being my secret airgun self. The persistent needing to have their hand held by a personal assistant and the almost demanding you tell them everything you know had me wanting to walk away. But Bigragu talked me out of it. I just had to change my approach. Because like someone else said, if we lose too many senior contributors, then it’s the blind leading the blind.

Now instead of jumping right in on a mundane topic, I’ll watch it. If the info starts going sideways, I’ll usually contribute. When I make discoveries or have a new trick up my sleeve, I pass it along to one forum buddy. Then we sit back and watch how long, if ever it takes someone to figure the same thing out. I don’t shout what I know about certain things from a rooftop or make videos about it. But I do drop snippets and bread crumbs so the guys who are deserving of the info can get it. Keeps it interesting for me and keeps me here.

Another thing I like to do when I start a topic is this. I already know where it’s going. I may already have all or most of it figured out. But if I feel it’s going to be beneficial to the masses, why not take the ride together. Some of the stuff guys said in the topics has been helpful because they are not thinking in the same box that I am. When you chop an JTS down or make one bigger, take the forum along for the ride. It’s shocking how many views things get even though we think what we are posting is way above the collective intelligence on this forum. There are people all over the world doing google searches that lead them right here.
 
It’s shocking how many views things get even though we think what we are posting is way above the collective intelligence on this forum. There are people all over the world doing google searches that lead them right here.
The being above the collective intelligence comment I'm not going to agree with.

Sharing what can be done in more instances than not are commented with responses like "I don't have the Tools or Knowledge to do that" which is understandable in many instances, and in no way are posting of shared projects meant to be demeaning of a readers lack of skill or wanting to do similar or differently etc ... For many it is just a spark of an idea seen to go out & try doing what they perhaps they think they can't. If it motivates one to try, this sharing what one has done will be viewed as having merit and will stand the test of time.

Walking one threw all the intricacies of a project be it the machining, assembling, testing etc has it's place too for entertainment value with some able to follow along and emulate what seen.

EITHER way is fine with no right or wrong IMO .... We're all different in how we listen & communicate, think & do stuff :unsure:
 
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The being above the collective intelligence comment I'm not going to agree with.

Sharing what can be done in more instances than not are commented with responses like "I don't have the Tools or Knowledge to do that" which is understandable in many instances, and in no way are posting of shared projects meant to be demeaning of a readers lack of skill or wanting to do similar or differently etc ... For many it is just a spark of an idea seen to go out & try doing what they perhaps they think they can't. If it motivates one to try, this sharing what one has done will be viewed as having merit and will stand the test of time.

Walking one threw all the intricacies of a project be it the machining, assembling, testing etc has it's place too for entertainment value with some able to follow along and emulate what seen.

EITHER way is fine with no right or wrong IMO .... We're all different in how we listen & communicate, think & do stuff :unsure:
The collective intelligence statement probably should have been skill set. We are in a bolt on age. The days of fabrication are gone because we can now just purchase that power and efficiency. But little things like you adding a peek striker to your Taipans hammer don’t appeal to the masses of bolt on guys, but it’s still great info for a smaller group.
 
The collective intelligence statement probably should have been skill set. We are in a bolt on age. The days of fabrication are gone because we can now just purchase that power and efficiency. But little things like you adding a peek striker to your Taipans hammer don’t appeal to the masses of bolt on guys, but it’s still great info for a smaller group.
Yes ... those that can will ! and those who wish to will tool up and educate themself to be able to take the plunge into the deeper end of the pool ;)
 
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Yes ... those that can will ! and those who wish to will tool up and educate themself to be able to take the plunge into the deeper end of the pool ;)
And then burn themselves out. Like me. I’m trying to stay on a machining hiatus until winter. Just gonna let parts and ideas stack up for a while.
 
One of the most painful in helping newer members is seeing most unwilling to help themself to information that is already in print going back years !!! ( SEARCH )
Most seek having an immediate conversation and somewhat expecting the knowing members to take them by the hand therefor having to state or say what has been said Many many many times before. That is for many experienced in the AG world a daunting task to do over & over again.

Myself who has contributed Mountains of information on the AG forums these past 12 years or so perhaps I'm getting jaded & burnt out to some degree ?
I like challenges, new frontiers to explore in design & application. As one might say ... DOWN the RABBIT HOLE we Go !!!!

Just thoughts, please don't be offended ;)

Motörhead, it’s the times today. Most just want the quick answer and not do their due diligence anymore. I’ve catch myself doing the same thing. Someone has something I find will help me, I ask where they got it, they say amazon. Thst should be plenty enough information, right? But what else do we ask for? A LINK! Cause we’re too lazy to try and surf amazon and do it ourselves!!
Yeah I’ve done it, but I’m aware of it and I try to research stuff on my own.
There’s a fellow member who I’ve bounced back ideas with who actually replied on this thread. I consider him up there in pcp knowledge. Actually, he’s on the list I call “the bat phone” list, where I’ll make the call only if I can’t find the solution. Very sharp cat, and if he reads this he knows I’m talking about him.

But both him and I have vented about when we advise someone, it’s funny but a week or two later they’re advising someone else with basically verbatim of what we’ve said, and acts like the ideas were all his. Never once was it said “yeah i actually learned that from so and so and I’m just passing on what I learned”.
It crack us both up. People are funny, I guess
 
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I try to be charitable. Sometimes the noob didn't really know what to ask until they started trying to create the question. Other times they're just so new that they're not even asking what they really want to know (that's why I'm also charitable about "answers" that duck the OP's question and answer a different one). A third possibility is that they've done the searching, but didn't really understand the answers. It's easy to think they're slacking off when you're looking at something from the position of someone with much more experience. Most respondents are trying to be helpful (a few are trying to strut - but those are usually easy to spot), and most questions are earnest. I try to remind myself that on the whole, most people are 'good', and react accordingly.

That said, I often pass over the easy questions knowing that someone else will give the answer with more detail and enthusiasm than I am able to muster.*

GsT

* That sounds a little cocky and I don't meant to imply that I know everything (if I did, I wouldn't be here). We're all beginners at some aspects and perhaps experts at others.
 
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Motörhead, it’s the times today. Most just want the quick answer and not do their due diligence anymore. I’ve catch myself doing the same thing. Someone has something I find will help me, I ask where they got it, they say amazon. Thst should be plenty enough information, right? But what else do we ask for? A LINK! Cause we’re too lazy to try and surf amazon and do it ourselves!!
Yeah I’ve done it, but I’m aware of it and I try to research stuff on my own.
There’s a fellow member who I’ve bounced back ideas with who actually replied on this thread. I consider him up there in pcp knowledge. Actually, he’s on the list I call “the bat phone” list, where I’ll make the call only if I can’t find the solution. Very sharp cat, and if he reads this he knows I’m talking about him.

But both him and I have vented about when we advise someone, it’s funny but a week or two later they’re advising someone else with basically verbatim of what we’ve said, and acts like the ideas were all his. Never once was it said “yeah i actually learned that from so and so and I’m just passing on what I learned”.
It crack us both up. People are funny, I
Equally amusing is the trend for some to read something technical, embellish it with some other abstract info that may or may not apply, then re-posting said embellished info as the new reality of the original. ( which many instances was posted originally by someone being pretty matter of fact )
Lot of variants of what could be called PARROTING ... that of just repeating what read that many times is a diluted or altered version of original data points. More the mis-information circulates the more it seems to take on a life of it's own. :LOL:
 
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