WARNING POSSIBLE SCAMMER ALERT SO NOBODY ELSE GETS POTENTIALLY SCAMMED

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Sorry to say the police won’t really be able to help you. You can give it a shot and call, but ...
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I tried this...Jeremy Nelson got me...his local LEO sent me to my local LEO who made 2 calls to him. Since he didn't answer their logical conclusion was he was a pro scammer. 

I vetted him. He was an airgunner. According to his follow up texts he was in LEO custody at the time my locals called. But the local D.A. wouldn't authorize a call to his locals. Not for $1400. 

Gee. Thanks. Now he's either locked up or screwed me.

Who hasn't bought with MOs or with F&F before from people they've checked out and talked with? I've always gotten my goods every time and hope this jerk is in lockup. But now, that will only happen with well known forum members. 

If you see a Rowe tuned Cricket .22 pup for sale by him.....yeah, that's my gun.
 
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Sorry to say the police won’t really be able to help you.  You can give it a shot and call, but as a LEO, if I were sent to that call I’d apologize and tell the complainant that it was a civil matter and he’d need to seek counsel with an attorney. Here’s why, an agreement was made, compensation for a product/service/whatever was delivered, the product/service wasn’t delivered/provided. The details of the transaction are irrelevant because it’s a private matter. Let’s say a LEO does take the case and the matter goes to court. The LEO is going to get subpoenaed to court, and lo and behold most agencies don’t pay their officers for civil court matters. So the LEO knows this and doesn’t want to be sitting in civil court for hours on end with no compensation. I’ve been subpoenaed for civil matters (mostly family dispute) in the past and have asked the attorney that’d subpoenaed me if they were going to compensate me for my representation, some have agreed and paid, others had a GTFOH attitude to which I responded that I couldn’t recall details and ask if they’d actually read my report.

My advice to you is call the local authorities and see if they’ll swing by his place, it’s worth a shot, but be prepared to end up calling counsel. It’s going to be tough (and expensive) if you live in different states.



This is a really crappy situation and I wish there was a way to make it so it doesn’t happen again. Maybe someone at PayPal or whatever can set up a sort of money holding area whereas the payee submits the funds, it’s in a sort of “purgatory” till the payee receives his item and then releases it, or even better corroborate with a delivery service (ups/usps) where the item is scanned as delivered it initiates the release of the funds, kind of like how they send you a “delivered to mailbox” email when your stuff arrives.
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It's statements like this that give LEO's a bad name. In Vermont (like most states) there are Criminal Fraud laws. Unlike civil fraud this charged are brought by the State, not the individual.

https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/fullchapter/13/047

At a bare minimum he could be charged under the below section.

§ 2005. False advertising

A person, firm, corporation, or association, or an agent or employee thereof, who, with intent to sell courses of instruction or to dispose of merchandise, real estate, securities, or service or to induce the public to enter into any obligations relating thereto, shall knowingly make, publish, circulate, or place before the public on radio or television or in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication or in form of a book, notice, circular, pamphlet, letter, handbill, poster, bill, sign, placard, card, label, or tag, or through an electronic communication, an advertisement, or statement regarding educational advantages, merchandise, real estate, securities or service, which advertisement or statement shall contain anything untrue, deceptive, or misleading, shall be fined not more than $1,000.00. (Amended 1967, No. 20, eff. March 3, 1967; 1999, No. 124 (Adj. Sess.), § 5.)

More times then not, just the threat of charging an individual with criminal charges usually gains compliance. Just an LEO reminding the suspect that the cost of hiring an attorney would likely exceed the amount he is alleged to have stolen will rectify the situation.
 
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Is hard to be scammed..I was scammed by B Walton years ago .. from that I learned to never pay anything that passes from $60.FF never to no body . And if I have to send a MO..whattt . I simply don't buy it ..I always prefer to pay the 3% .. but there are people that dont think about it ..I sold my taipans long few months ago it was a big transaction n the person paid FF .. I do not ask for that..imagine tha I was leaving to Europe how on earth he will have his money back ... I recently sold a texan . but the buyer was like a stupid ..but I decided to continue with the transaction n put the person to sign for it .. he calls me some days later n tell me he hasn't received yet...when I knew it was signed for that last Friday..if it wasn't that I treat him to go and help him look for it , that I knew his address n I will see him on the weekend he would have as for his money back... ang just like that ,his wife supposedly signed for it and 4 days has passed n she forgot to tell him that the package was in the closet .. 😤 yea right..
 
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Even eBay and PayPal don't offer great protection. I've been burnt on either side of transactions using them. On the seller side people lie about receiving things...or the condition. People break stuff and return it. People try to swap their already broken item with something they've bought from you. On the buyer side people sell broken items or defective items then claim it wasn't broken when they shipped it or they never noticed the defect. People come up with excuses for delayed shipping and try to string you along until it's too late to file claims. People promise to send a replacement...or replacement part and never do.

There isn't a way to protect yourself completely unless you just don't buy used things from people but I've instituted a few things that have reduced my risk.

1. I search for the person on forums...not just scammer lists but posts. You can have more confidence when you see them post pictures, questions, experiences...etc of what they are selling.

2. Get their number and call them. You can really get a feel for a person by talking on the phone with them. Ask questions. Yes, why are you selling is trite, but it is informative too. If a person won't let me call them I won't buy from them.

3. Ask for more photos. Ask for specific photos that require them to take new shots. This prevents the ones that just copy pics from someone else's post or try to resell something they already sold.

4. Check their references. Have they sold on eBay? What is their rating there? Have they sold on other forums? I search myself and ask.

I don't do all those things but always call...unless it is a really low dollar item.
 
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I have no idea why he is still allowed to keep on reposting over there even after the warnings which all got deleted except his ad. YO!
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Makes me wonder if anyone has actually reported him to American Airguns, as opposed to/along with posting warnings?

I did that a year or so ago regarding a guy that scammed me & his ads disappeared from the site

The web address for reporting is [email protected]

Ed
 
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It's statements like this that give LEO's a bad name. 

More times then not, just the threat of charging an individual with criminal charges usually gains compliance. Just an LEO reminding the suspect that the cost of hiring an attorney would likely exceed the amount he is alleged to have stolen will rectify the situation.
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Really this gives Leo's a bad name ? You want him or her to go threaten someone on a civil matter and say you better give it back or I'm (going to do nothing because its civil). Then they say go pound sand or do something aggressive and a use of force or deadly confrontation occurrs. Then the officer loses a job over a clearly civil matter. I think not 🙄, amazing how many people think Leos can just go around threatening just to get someones property back for a civil dispute. That is what civil courts are for.

He may be defrauding many people, but make a report and eventually you will have the evidence to prove the fraud and he can get probation and a payment plan for restitution. 

There are federal laws for fraud, yet I still get the Nigerian or other country's calling me everyday trying to scam money on blue dot or apple cards.

Not trying to make light of a bad situation, just saying not a lot can be done unless you you can prove the fraud. ie; multiple documented reports listing named suspect and pattern of fraud through reports made by multiple victims. One persons word against another in a business transaction does not constitute fraud without evidence to back it up. Gather your documentation, contact other victims from the forums and then call PD or SO and make your report.

Just my view, YMMV 

Good luck to OP I despise thieves and scammers...

DAVE!


 
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It's statements like this that give LEO's a bad name. 

More times then not, just the threat of charging an individual with criminal charges usually gains compliance. Just an LEO reminding the suspect that the cost of hiring an attorney would likely exceed the amount he is alleged to have stolen will rectify the situation.
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Really this gives Leo's a bad name ? You want him or her to go threaten someone on a civil matter and say you better give it back or I'm (going to do nothing because its civil). Then they say go pound sand or do something aggressive and a use of force or deadly confrontation occurrs. Then the officer loses a job over a clearly civil matter. I think not 🙄, amazing how many people think Leos can just go around threatening just to get someones property back for a civil dispute. That is what civil courts are for.

He may be defrauding many people, but make a report and eventually you will have the evidence to prove the fraud and he can get probation and a payment plan for restitution. 

There are federal laws for fraud, yet I still get the Nigerian or other country's calling me everyday trying to scam money on blue dot or apple cards.

Not trying to make light of a bad situation, just saying not a lot can be done unless you you can prove the fraud. ie; multiple documented reports listing named suspect and pattern of fraud through reports made by multiple victims. One persons word against another in a business transaction does not constitute fraud without evidence to back it up. Gather your documentation, contact other victims from the forums and then call PD or SO and make your report.

Just my view, YMMV 

Good luck to OP I despise thieves and scammers...

DAVE!

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Dave,

Maybe if you had READ my entire post you would see that FRAUD is ALSO a CRIMINAL matter. PROOF of the fraud is done in front of a JUDGE or JURY. Fraud is not a "continuing course of conduct" that has to be proven. A single crime is fraud.

FYI - my information comes from 28 years as a LEO......................DOING my job and not trying to pawn off calls as "civil matters".
 
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Maybe if you had READ my entire post you would see that FRAUD is ALSO a CRIMINAL matter. PROOF of the fraud is done in front of a JUDGE or JURY. Fraud is not a "continuing course of conduct" that has to be proven. A single crime is fraud.

FYI - my information comes from 28 years as a LEO......................DOING my job and not trying to pawn off calls as "civil matters".
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Thanks for your service 👍

Of course I understand fraud is a criminal act not just a civil action. Great for your jurisdiction having the time to take one persons complaint and follow up with ? To determine a criminal act occurred. Are you going to write up he said he said on a business transaction and go make a hook on it ? Yeah probably not. If there is more, than fine do it. I'm not suggesting PAWING OFF a crime as civil. I'm Just saying if you have a bad transaction and cant resolve it youself through normal channels don' t go thinking its all a criminal case and try and get your local Leo to go door knocking for you. 

I've dealt with enough theft by fraud cases over many years to know what is prosecutable. This is just my perspective, just like it is yours. I feel for OP and hope all turns out well for him. I'll jump off my soap box and hope for the best. I'm out, log me off.. 10-7, 10-42.

Dave


 
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Are there stricter penalties when crimes are committed during an emergency declaration? Such as now? Covid19? YO!
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Depending on where you live, in my area if a theft occurs during a state of emergency and it fits within the classification of the penal code then it is an additional charge. As of now all non violent offenders bails were reduced to a $0 bail(due to C-19) So they are released upon intake. Great system 🙄 Although if they get charged with the theft during emergency they have a bail and sit until they get bond.
 
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Maybe if you had READ my entire post you would see that FRAUD is ALSO a CRIMINAL matter. PROOF of the fraud is done in front of a JUDGE or JURY. Fraud is not a "continuing course of conduct" that has to be proven. A single crime is fraud.

FYI - my information comes from 28 years as a LEO......................DOING my job and not trying to pawn off calls as "civil matters".
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Thanks for your service 👍

Of course I understand fraud is a criminal act not just a civil action. Great for your jurisdiction having the time to take one persons complaint and follow up with ? To determine a criminal act occurred. Are you going to write up he said he said on a business transaction and go make a hook on it ? Yeah probably not. If there is more, than fine do it. I'm not suggesting PAWING OFF a crime as civil. I'm Just saying if you have a bad transaction and cant resolve it youself through normal channels don' t go thinking its all a criminal case and try and get your local Leo to go door knocking for you. 

I've dealt with enough theft by fraud cases over many years to know what is prosecutable. This is just my perspective, just like it is yours. I feel for OP and hope all turns out well for him. I'll jump off my soap box and hope for the best. I'm out, log me off.. 10-7, 10-42.

Dave

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I'd sure like to see a jurisdiction (yours apparently) that "doesn't" have time. Mine? That would have been Baltimore City, yep in between one of my 2000 plus arrests I surely would have taken 10mins to write a report. Chain em up for fraud? Na, Criminal summons. I saved the bracelets for the Drugs, Guns, Homicides and of course FTO's.

With the evidence YO has indicated to me he has, this case is easily prosecuted.
 
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