We are about to see a point of inflection in the industry of Airguns.
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Slugs only use more air when you push more weight or increase the velocity of it. A slug of the same weight will launch at a similar pellet's weight velocity. The slug just has a better design and bc. I swap all the time and I observe close to the same speeds at the same air pressures and similar weights of ammo. A lot of blank statements here that simply aren't true.
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Don't slugs generally require higher velocities to stabilize? I don't believe slugs can be stably shot at the slowest speeds a pellet can be shot at. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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The worry is, at what point will your state legislature declare airguns a FIREARM? semi and auto, slugs @ over 1000 fps. Someone's going to notice!
Then moderators. Pretty soon you'll be living under Illinois Tyrany.
Then moderators. Pretty soon you'll be living under Illinois Tyrany.
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I believe that there is ZERO chance that airguns will be classified as firearms.
Whether or not they are classified as weapons, well that may become an issue if the right circumstances present themselves through misuse.
Whether or not they are classified as weapons, well that may become an issue if the right circumstances present themselves through misuse.
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what i dont believe is that companies are not building slug specific guns to sell , not "Build your own" FX , but then i think of the many parts to get what you want $$$$$$$$ IE: how many barrels to find what is right for you ? it is all about the $$$ .
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In my 25 cal airforce condor, I launch 34 grain Jsb's at around 950 fps and nsa slugs of a similar weight at 950 fps. In my Impact I launched 93 nsa's at a very accurate 865fps. When I increased the speed to 975 fps they turned into a 2" scatter gun at 50 yards. I personally think there is a whole lot more to stability than simply just speed.
Barrel twist rates, barrel flexability/stiffness (an issue observed with the impact), valve dwell times (tuning), slug diameter, barrel harmonics, possible porting, etc.... There are a whole list of reasons why something may seem to need more speed, but may be a function of a downfall in another category. Speed in our barrels is simply a function of much energy it takes to move a set weight. I observe similar speeds with pellets of the same weight as I do with slugs near that same weight. However, one truth is a lot of slug shooter want to shoot heavy slugs for the bc, which causes the need for more air. Possibly a reason for the new hybrids. We are in a new era of airgunning and I like it. I don't think pellets are going away, but both will coexist with hopefully more slug options appearing.
Barrel twist rates, barrel flexability/stiffness (an issue observed with the impact), valve dwell times (tuning), slug diameter, barrel harmonics, possible porting, etc.... There are a whole list of reasons why something may seem to need more speed, but may be a function of a downfall in another category. Speed in our barrels is simply a function of much energy it takes to move a set weight. I observe similar speeds with pellets of the same weight as I do with slugs near that same weight. However, one truth is a lot of slug shooter want to shoot heavy slugs for the bc, which causes the need for more air. Possibly a reason for the new hybrids. We are in a new era of airgunning and I like it. I don't think pellets are going away, but both will coexist with hopefully more slug options appearing.
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From a different perspective, it is those who shoot 100-400 yards that have advanced the air rifle technology to what it is today because there is a demand for it from the manufactures. Air rifles that effectively shoot 50-75 yards existed 40 years ago. 50-75 yard close shots at coyotes, Jack rabbits, prairie dogs, etc are rare. Having the ability to accurately reach out much farther with adequate ft/lbs of energy is a plus for those who wish to do so. It is real pesting also.
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100% agree. Im in AZ and even here I still worry about the future. Not looking to get all political but it is getting to a point that if it shoots a projectile then some group wants to take it. When, if they have not already seen what airguns are capable of, especially the larger bore stuff. It will only be a matter of time. Hell, look at the restrictions in European countries. I think it could very well get to that point here in the U.S. as well. All one has to do is look around on the internet, and if the wrong person sees something they dont like it will open a big nasty can of worms. It will only fester and grow from there.
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On the other hand, for gobernments is better to have sportmen with Airguns traveling in the roads than with firearms.....
In february when went to hunt mule deer in Sonora desert and we travel by plane, the tramitology for moving the firearms was long and my FX Indy. 30 Cal travled ans luggage.
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I hate to burst some bubbles, there have already driveby's in Chicago, DC, and NYC. there are ALREADY states where my scenario is law. I operate outside the law every time I shoot. . Everything is against the law in Illinois.
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when everything is against the “law”… “nothing is against the law”… In NYC airguns are already prohibited by law… And our airguns are too expensive for criminals… they can purchase firearms for way less money.
Dont know about an inflection point, marketing will dictate what many buy. Those who do shoot slugs and reap their advantages will continue to do so. The majority will still use pellets which have proven very effective and versatile sub 100 yards. I believe that those who shoot airguns over 150 yards, let alone 200 or 300 yards? Are a very small percentage of all air gunners. If I want more power than my 30 FPE provides? I reach for my CZ452 I can shoot CCI CB Caps (low power 700ish fps), shorts, sub sonics and std. velocity…
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