Weihrauch hw80

[Dan432]

Hi everyone!

I'm new to springer airguns, previously I had a hammerli cr20 co2 which I unfortunately sold it five year ago now I regret doing that. So I start looking for a new airgun and saw many good reviews about weihrauch especially the hw80, so I decided to buy one in .177, but there are two versions of it. Can someone tell me what is the difference between the old Weihrauch hw80 and the new one (SL) in power, accuracy and parts availability? is the gun quiet? does it need a silencer? can someone recommend me a good scope and pellets in gr. Any advice appreciated.

Thanks

 

[EMrider]

Welcome! I can’t provide insight on the old versus new hw80, but I do have experience with that model (hw80/R1) and would advise not buying that gun in .177. It is over-sprung and too powerful for that caliber. If you are set on the hw80, go with .22.

If you are looking for the optimal “one gun to do it all” springer, I’d suggest either the hw95 or the hw50s in .177.

Good luck.

R

 

[Mycapt65]

Welcome! I can’t provide insight on the old versus new hw80, but I do have experience with that model (hw80/R1) and would advise not buying that gun in .177. It is over-sprung and too powerful for that caliber. If you are set on the hw80, go with .22.

If you are looking for the optimal “one gun to do it all” springer, I’d suggest either the hw95 or the hw50s in .177.

Good luck.

R

Doubling down on this! Above is excellent advice.

Quiet is subjective. The Hw80 won't hurt your ears but might not be a good choice for a suburban neighborhood

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I think the stock is different. The old 80 used the hw standard type the sl got the new style. I assume the same receiver / power and barrel.. there's a thread on them newer sl looking stocks around in a few models..

I also feel a 80 is better suited in .22. Or maybe .177 using heavy pellets?..

For .177 the ol tried and true hw95 is hard to beat in break barrel. Almost a natural...

Heres one on the new stocks

New stock for the HW80 from Weihrauch

Looks like they updated the stock to a new ambidextrous version. Has a new name, the 80SL. Looks pretty good, like the stock on the HW95 Luxus. https://www.weihrauch-sport.de/hw-80-sl

www.airgunnation.com

 

[Mycapt65]

I think the stock is different. The old 80 used the hw standard type the sl got the new style. I assume the same receiver / power and barrel.. there's a thread on them newer sl looking stocks around in a few models..

I also feel a 80 is better suited in .22. Or maybe .177 using heavy pellets?..

For .177 the ol tried and true hw95 is hard to beat in break barrel. Almost a natural...

Heres one on the new stocks

New stock for the HW80 from Weihrauch

Looks like they updated the stock to a new ambidextrous version. Has a new name, the 80SL. Looks pretty good, like the stock on the HW95 Luxus. https://www.weihrauch-sport.de/hw-80-sl

www.airgunnation.com

Using heavy 177 pellets won't tame a shot cycle to the same as 22. The difference is efficiency from the required start pressure. That mostly has to do with the surface area of the bore diameter. Pellet fit and weight are small factors as well but adjusting those won't give a harsh overpowered 177, 22 caliber manners.

In many guns, particularly lower powered guns the difference in manners between the calibers isn't all that noticeable. IMO the more swept volume a 177 has the less efficient and nastier they get. I noticed the same thing shooting a Diana 350. The 177 rattled my teeth and the 22 was still abrupt but more manageable.

Springers are already tough enough to shoot accurately. Magnum 177s have to be the toughest. Not to mention that they usually push pellets over 900fps where they start to become unstable. I love my 15 fpe 177 Hw95 but that's about the highest power I'd want to shoot a 177 springer.

Ymmv

 

[Mycapt65]

Fwiw. The 22 caliber Hw80 will push standard lead around 750 fps. It's flat enough to be usable.

 

[brownhipower]

What is the purpose of airgun. If quiet plinking and pest control you might want something smaller and less powerful.

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

What is the purpose of airgun. If quiet plinking and pest control you might want something smaller and less powerful.

When shooting pests, a good clean hit at 750 fps is better than a miss at a 1000. The guns cocking and shot cycle are also improved. Plus it is lighter and a bit more quiet. If a 2x4 is ample for the job, why use a 2x12.

 

[beerthief]

I would think an HW50 would be a better choice in .177 and the HW moderator works well , Maybe find a package deal ?

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I would think an HW50 would be a better choice in .177 and the HW moderator works well , Maybe find a package deal ?

Personly hw does .177 well in most all there models weather a 30,50, 95. The 80 and maybe 90 id do .22. i think they cut the barrels a bit more to tolerance for .177. Your not hunting headsizes or all you see guys do in the .22 / .177 not so picky. Just my observation.

 

[Mycapt65]

Personly hw does .177 well in most all there models weather a 30,50, 95. The 80 and maybe 90 id do .22. i think they cut the barrels a bit more to tolerance for .177. Your not hunting headsizes or all you see guys do in the .22 / .177 not so picky. Just my observation.

I believe there's a grain of truth there. I find the 177 Weihrauchs less picky than 22. That said i haven't found a Weihrauch 22 barrel that I couldn't find a good pellet for. It's almost always 5.54 H&N FTT. That point will probably save you a lot of money.

Fwiw I bought a 20 caliber barrel at great expense for my 177 R1 because I heard about badly oversized 22 Weihrauch barrels. Oddly the new 20 caliber barrel was oversize and low on power. Luckily Weihrauch replaced it. A friend recommended I try a reasonably priced new 22 barrel. Yes it's more pellet picky than the my 177 barreled Weihrauchs but the gun is great in 22. Now I have an almost new 20 caliber barrel that I'll probably never use.

Be careful of chasing internet chatter. The hardest part of the internet is trying to determine who's worth listening too. Good luck with that

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I believe there's a grain of truth there. I find the 177 Weihrauchs less picky than 22. That said i haven't found a Weihrauch 22 barrel that I couldn't find a good pellet for. It's almost always 5.54 H&N FTT. That point will probably save you a lot of money.

Fwiw I bought a 20 caliber barrel at great expense for my 177 R1 because I heard about badly oversized 22 Weihrauch barrels. Oddly the new 20 caliber barrel was oversize and low on power. Luckily Weihrauch replaced it. A friend recommended I try a reasonably priced new 22 barrel. Yes it's more pellet picky than the my 177 barreled Weihrauchs but the gun is great in 22. Now I have an almost new 20 caliber barrel that I'll probably never use.

Be careful of chasing internet chatter. The hardest part of the internet is trying to determine who's worth listening too. Good luck with that

Seems the oversized bore in .22 is most common thing i see/read about.

One guy had a new diana 34 and he showed how most common pellets like cphp just "fell" into the leade. He claimed some hit the floor stright through... My gamo is a little looser in the leade then my hatsan with some pellets. Anyway seems with .22 its more a thing than .177. .. with .177 i find too tight a thing time to time. But most seem fine all around ( opinion)

 

[Deerstalker]

As others have suggested I recommend the HW95 in .22 Calibur and you may want to look at this Hawke scope which I believe would be a great combo.

https://us.hawkeoptics.com/airmax-30-sf-compact-3-12x40-amx-ir.html

I have the larger 44 mm on my 95 as the 40 was not yet available when I purchased mine.

 

[Dan432]

Sorry to disappoint everyone, but where I live here I need a weapon permit anything above 4.5mm. I chose the HW80 because it has the power I need to shoot at long distances. I know its heavy, but rembmer that I had hammerli CR20 with alomst 5kg. The heavy Weight of the gun will help to reduce the recoil. By the way how this gun will preform in cold weather?

 

[Mycapt65]

Seems the oversized bore in .22 is most common thing i see/read about.

One guy had a new diana 34 and he showed how most common pellets like cphp just "fell" into the leade. He claimed some hit the floor stright through... My gamo is a little looser in the leade then my hatsan with some pellets. Anyway seems with .22 its more a thing than .177. .. with .177 i find too tight a thing time to time. But most seem fine all around ( opinion)

In all fairness. Don't you normally shoot 177 Walmart CPHP's. Those things (at least in 177) range from great to total crap. Sometimes in the same tin. I can't speak for the D34. I won't run Crosman pellets through my Weihrauchs because they're often inconsistently sized. Plus the high antimony content ruins my accuracy with other soft lead brands. Life is too short for cheap beer and pellets.

 

[Mycapt65]

If you're stuck with 177 and you want a Weihrauch I'd strongly recommend the Hw95. It's much better suited and much easily shot accurately

 

[Jlowe]

Sorry to disappoint everyone, but where I live here I need a weapon permit anything above 4.5mm. I chose the HW80 because it has the power I need to shoot at long distances. I know its heavy, but rembmer that I had hammerli CR20 with alomst 5kg. The heavy Weight of the gun will help to reduce the recoil. By the way how this gun will preform in cold weather?

Heavier pellets help, plus more power at longer distances anyway. I've owned several 80"s and they do have some "twang," but you can tune them and do wonders with them. Another option, just throwing it out there, is the RWS Diana 48, which has slightly more power and is less sensitive out of the box. I had one last year in .177cal and sold it, but I wish I had kept it. Either way it is a solid built airgun.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

In all fairness. Don't you normally shoot 177 Walmart CPHP's. Those things (at least in 177) range from great to total crap. Sometimes in the same tin. I can't speak for the D34. I won't run Crosman pellets through my Weihrauchs because they're often inconsistently sized. Plus the high antimony content ruins my accuracy with other soft lead brands. Life is too short for cheap beer and pellets.

Shoot pretty consistent and spot on for me..lol. As i say i dont mind a pellet picky gun as long as it picks cphp.. lol

Then some guys are dedicated to fancy mail order pellets at x2 the price .. lol.

Im not in to this to $upport a gun or go out of my way to . It shoots to my convenance or hits the road.

 

[Frogy]

WELCOME congratulations on your purchase HW80 177 cal. you'll have much fun shooting this gun. it is a powerful gun in USA spect so a heavy pellet may be what you Will need . I ran into the same thing buying a Diana 48 in 177 cal but now love the gun. I would say look for pellets 9.5 to 10.59 weight . I like HN pellets maybe even 10 gr plus the HW80 is on the bucket list. I tried to purchase one couldn't find one. so purchased a HW90 instead. love this gun have fun welcome ! to the old old old old old man forum ! I feel there are many old experienced shooters. that may have not shoot in a few year. BUT have a lot of knowledge !!!

 

[Zut]

I have a .177 caliber HW80 purchased new last fall with the old style stock just before the 80SL came out. So mechanically it's the same as the SL.

Its just a great shooter. Very accurate. Yes it is hold sensitive, but no more then my HW77K. It is not tuned just stock and has no spring buzz after a few tins of pellets. Is it harsh? Well I'm pretty new to shooting springers, so yes it has more recoil, obviously, then the HW77 and HW35. I shoot a 30-06 for elk and deer, so I don't think the 80 is harsh at all ;-)

It will shoot 1/4 inch groups at 25 yds. with Baracuda Match and Baracuda FT's in 4.50 head size. Flat shooting and hard hitting was what I was after and it does that. From 25 to 35 yds is about a 1/2" drop with the 9.57gr Baracuda FT's. Those shoot at 914 fps and and 17.76 fpe. Smacks tree rats really well.

I use a SWFA SS 12x42 scope with a 1 piece Sportsmatch 30mm mount medium height. I think a 1 piece Sportsmatch mount is the best setup for this gun.

It does have a bit of a crack to it. Does it need a moderator, maybe for urban backyards with close pesky neighbors. The action seems louder then the report of the pellet to me.

I like the weight of the gun too so I am somewhat of an outlier in this group. It is steady to shoot offhand unlike the HW50 I've owned in the past.

I would look at the HW80SLK if your in the market for a new 80. That carbine looks really nice to me.

It's the first air rifle I pick up when heading out to shoot.

Cheers