Nice to see that little Timmy is still making himself and anyone who associates or defends him look bad. He used to be pretty active here.
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What a disservice "EdgunLeshiy" does for the airgun community time and time again.
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I've not watched his other videos but regarding this video every shot was a clean humane kill.
I don't see much difference between this video and a lot of the videos posted in the hunting section.
I don't see much difference between this video and a lot of the videos posted in the hunting section.
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I watched his torso video, and it didn't read any different than FX's Panthera comparison of power, stampless silencer, and ballistic gel. Everyone is skirting the line for "tactacool."
The squirrels were again no different than a sponsored shoot.
I find his videos comical and enjoyable.
The squirrels were again no different than a sponsored shoot.
I find his videos comical and enjoyable.
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I’ve watched one of his videos. Nothing excites me about backyard hunting. He seems to piss off a lot of people and that’s not a good thing for our hobby. Seems to have a bit of an ego IMO.
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So.... You have to point out something better off NOT pointed out?
I don't get your reasoning.
I don't get your reasoning.
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I think posting animals getting killed outside of close community like this forum is not good. It should be as tasteful as you can make it. People get more upset over an animal getting killed by a hunter than the carnage of human beings in the streets. Remember the public uprour and front page coverage that happened to several professionals that posted hunting photos I think which were mostly African game. Just my 2 cents.
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I come across his videos occasionally, for a few years now at least. He's definitely become more commercialized (certainly being enriched via russian rubles, hence the namesake), and he's also become much more extreme in his shooting. e.g., the 9mm rounds (which he's actually been doing for a bit now, the "double taps", the torso shooting, and even "explosive" pellets being shot at squirrels). Some of that does go too far, in my opinion.
I attribute the extremism to the all-too-common need for more likes and clicks and subs. It consumes the lives of a lot of these youtubers. They feel the need to keep one-upping themselves to keep drawing crowds. The more extreme they become, the more views they get, and the more money and marketing deals.
Some of what he does is not legal in my state, even though we have quite lax laws here when it comes to pest control. Whether or not everything he does is legal in his state, I have no idea.
Just my take on it.
I attribute the extremism to the all-too-common need for more likes and clicks and subs. It consumes the lives of a lot of these youtubers. They feel the need to keep one-upping themselves to keep drawing crowds. The more extreme they become, the more views they get, and the more money and marketing deals.
Some of what he does is not legal in my state, even though we have quite lax laws here when it comes to pest control. Whether or not everything he does is legal in his state, I have no idea.
Just my take on it.
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My opinion? Ethical and humane removal of pests. Personally this is not something I would record and popularize. Just feels wrong imo. I'm OK sharing hunting photos with a super minimal amount of people WITHIN the community. And still, some people within the community don't even like that.
What he does looks and feels like glorification of excessive use of force. But again, in humane dispatch, excessive force is not really a thing. But I would consider shooting animals multiple times when they're already dead mutilation.
What he does looks and feels like glorification of excessive use of force. But again, in humane dispatch, excessive force is not really a thing. But I would consider shooting animals multiple times when they're already dead mutilation.
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I think people are missing the point CT is making. The issue isn’t about whether or not pest control is moral, or whether using 9mm for chipmunk hunting is ethical (it obviously is). It’s about this man’s attitude—his flippancy and borderline glee—in regard to killing these animals.
I was raised to have respect for all living things. That doesn’t mean I’m a vegan. It doesn’t mean I don’t hunt. Taking a life to prolong my life and the lives of my family is part of how this whole thing works. But not recognizing the inherent value of a life and displaying some stoic gratitude for life given in service of another—whether human or animal—is selfish, small, weak and pitiful.
A couple months ago I had an exchange with another AGN member who posted a video of a raccoon he’d trapped and was planning to kill. In the video, he kicked, yelled at and mocked the animal. I’ve killed a few raccoons in my day, but never felt the need to revel in their deaths the way this AGN member did. I told him as much, and we had a back and forth. I don’t know if anything was gained.
Our ancestors prayed for passage for the animals they killed for sustenance. Now we have people playing goofy music and making fun of the carnage of death. The irreverence is upsetting, and the distance we’ve fallen is shameful.
I was raised to have respect for all living things. That doesn’t mean I’m a vegan. It doesn’t mean I don’t hunt. Taking a life to prolong my life and the lives of my family is part of how this whole thing works. But not recognizing the inherent value of a life and displaying some stoic gratitude for life given in service of another—whether human or animal—is selfish, small, weak and pitiful.
A couple months ago I had an exchange with another AGN member who posted a video of a raccoon he’d trapped and was planning to kill. In the video, he kicked, yelled at and mocked the animal. I’ve killed a few raccoons in my day, but never felt the need to revel in their deaths the way this AGN member did. I told him as much, and we had a back and forth. I don’t know if anything was gained.
Our ancestors prayed for passage for the animals they killed for sustenance. Now we have people playing goofy music and making fun of the carnage of death. The irreverence is upsetting, and the distance we’ve fallen is shameful.
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I don't know where he lives, but from viewing some of his videos it seems to be in a residential area where the separation between the properties isn't very far. In many such locations either prohibit shooting air rifles, and or killing of animals such as coons, skunks or squirrels. He must know the local and state laws very well, or is either ignorant or stupid for posting potential incriminated evidence that PETA members would love to get the guy on!
That said I did find many of his video informative on how to dispatch various animals. Especially to leave skunks alone whenever possible.
That said I did find many of his video informative on how to dispatch various animals. Especially to leave skunks alone whenever possible.
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Yeah, then those same people go and eat a cheeseburger or a salad or clean the bathroom with antibacterials.
Geez, someone may see….lions and tigers and subjectivity, oh my.
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I can see how some people would be disturbed by his videos. He does make a point to advertise his adversarial stance against the "karens" of the world. He's got a few videos that start off with rather comical clips of people trying to be nice and friendly with wild squirrels, only to get a big chunk of their finger or face chewed-off. That said, he does a fantastic job of advertising the gear he's using on his channel, and I did use some of his videos to get a sense for what the Leshiy 2 was like. It probably played a significant role in my purchase. Let me see if I can find one of those intros...
Here is one that is roughly a response to this thread:
And here is one of the more entertaining intros...
Here is one that is roughly a response to this thread:
And here is one of the more entertaining intros...
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Interesting that in the Karen video he points out squirrels are just rats with tails that humans like and that squirrels are tasty too. So I poise the question, if both are true then rats should be also tasty but few people eat them unless necessary, almost never if they have a choice. Why is that so? I'm guess in some rural area of undeveloped countries maybe rats are a normal part of the food supply.
Just think of the environment savings in greenhouse gasses if people started eating rats instead of beef, chicken and pork. It would help the rat infestation problems in NY city
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Just think of the environment savings in greenhouse gasses if people started eating rats instead of beef, chicken and pork. It would help the rat infestation problems in NY city
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much to my sadness, ive lived my life by completly removed of the death part in my diet
ive even been veggie for while, but that didnt work well, and now promoting carnivore diet as much as i can
i used one of his vids to get used of seeing eyes poppin out, pretty good material for that
what he said in his vid was that he was asked for it, lots of people actually asked, i highly doubt any of em was named karen
not knowing much about anything, and absolutely nothing about OP or the gunner, it looks like OP is trying very hard to get him canceled
i hope you realise that when you attack someone, be it online or offline, you shouldnt get mary popping type of response
ive even been veggie for while, but that didnt work well, and now promoting carnivore diet as much as i can
i used one of his vids to get used of seeing eyes poppin out, pretty good material for that
what he said in his vid was that he was asked for it, lots of people actually asked, i highly doubt any of em was named karen
not knowing much about anything, and absolutely nothing about OP or the gunner, it looks like OP is trying very hard to get him canceled
i hope you realise that when you attack someone, be it online or offline, you shouldnt get mary popping type of response
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I've only seen a few of this guy's video. They seem fairly well produced, and interesting. As for him doing a disservice to the community..? I'm not sold. It seems lots of folks want to hide under the covers, and hope that makes the "Boogeyman" go away. It won't. Someone previously mentioned a fear of "infringement". That was made possible in our sister sport, precisely because enough people hid under the covers, and kept quiet hoping the "Boogeyman" would pass them by. He didnt...
What's the definition of insanity..?
What's the definition of insanity..?
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Like I said in the original post, nobody has to agree with me, ultimately I think youd all have to interact with him to realize how sick he is. A total clown. The facade of property damage and well spoken lines is smoke and mirrors.
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Since we are all throwing in our own opinions with no judgement attached, I'll do so as well but from another direction:
Ethical/ethics/ethic/ the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group.
When we throw around the term "Ethical", we refer to our own accepted principles of conduct and not universal accepted principles of conduct, even though we may believe that they are and gosh darn it, "I say so, so you HAVE to obey me!"
I personally dismiss nearly all use of the word "Ethical" simply because it is mostly used to pound one's own beliefs down another's throat with zero regard for universally accepted actions which have long been accepted in as such as law, ordinances or rules etc.
So, for me, these videos may be distasteful, objectionable, personally gruesome and repulsive!
HOWEVER
As long as he is acting legally, he is by default not acting unethically according to the universal definition. It may be personally unethical but that is an opinion only and is dismissible by myself and others simply because our own moral code.
Bottom line: I can choose to not watch his videos.
Ethical/ethics/ethic/ the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group.
When we throw around the term "Ethical", we refer to our own accepted principles of conduct and not universal accepted principles of conduct, even though we may believe that they are and gosh darn it, "I say so, so you HAVE to obey me!"
I personally dismiss nearly all use of the word "Ethical" simply because it is mostly used to pound one's own beliefs down another's throat with zero regard for universally accepted actions which have long been accepted in as such as law, ordinances or rules etc.
So, for me, these videos may be distasteful, objectionable, personally gruesome and repulsive!
HOWEVER
As long as he is acting legally, he is by default not acting unethically according to the universal definition. It may be personally unethical but that is an opinion only and is dismissible by myself and others simply because our own moral code.
Bottom line: I can choose to not watch his videos.
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