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I’m sure it’s worth the money and probably better build quality than a pp700. No doubt you’ll have fun shooting it. You said you don’t see why many folks use the pistol and I gave you a reason. If you want to believe that it’s a one of a kind pistol that’s cool.. my kid still believes in Santa
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Now there's a backhanded compliment if I ever saw one, with carbon fiber knuckles too..!

Well, being an Aerospace, Sr. Test Engineer most of my adult life, I think I have a pretty good idea what it takes, design, build wise to make a good part. After all, I've built...well I can't say that...but suffice to say, you can thank me, and my work cohorts for our work..! I've seen "current", so called high end guns that don't have the "fit and finish" that this gun has. I'm just going to let the gun itself prove me wrong...if it wants to.

So, that said, I did a little shooting today with this "hammer". After all, that's sort of what it looks like. Then I put some air into my AP16, so they both had about 200 bar in them. Same pellets, 14gr. Benjamin Discovery, same miniscule 17ish yard distance. Same off handed shooting. Though the AP19 has a much better red dot sight on it, the Hammer (Ocelot) held its own fairly well. Its hole pattern is a little larger than the AP16's, but not overly so. I'll bet with a better (smaller, more round and not fuzzy) dot, they will be somewhat comparable. I'll get to ordering a better sight, and get myself more used to the heavier weight of the Ocelot (hammer), and shoot both guns, side by side again. Although, that's not my intent, to compare one gun against the other, so much than to just have fun hitting a target well.

As for answering Jungle - I don't have a chronograph, so pellet speed check is out. I can check to see how well the air chamber does as far as pellet count. And I don't do "rested" shooting. To me that makes no sense. It didn't when I was shooting powder fired weapons most every weekend for six or seven years, and it doesn't now. I like to see how well "I" can control the gun, not how well a table and sand bags / bipods can control the gun.

This is all pretty of funny. I never have been much of a "follow the crowd type person". I guess this particular gun purchase proves, that even in my old age, I'm still not. My old girlfriend will get a kick out of all of this hating, from buying such an unpopular gun when I tell her.

Bitch on ladies.



Mike
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It is only natural to test a gun using sandbags and tables to determine its real accuracy, after which you can shoot it unsupported.
 
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I’m sure it’s worth the money and probably better build quality than a pp700. No doubt you’ll have fun shooting it. You said you don’t see why many folks use the pistol and I gave you a reason. If you want to believe that it’s a one of a kind pistol that’s cool.. my kid still believes in Santa
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Now there's a backhanded compliment if I ever saw one, with carbon fiber knuckles too..!

Well, being an Aerospace, Sr. Test Engineer most of my adult life, I think I have a pretty good idea what it takes, design, build wise to make a good part. After all, I've built...well I can't say that...but suffice to say, you can thank me, and my work cohorts for our work..! I've seen "current", so called high end guns that don't have the "fit and finish" that this gun has. I'm just going to let the gun itself prove me wrong...if it wants to.

So, that said, I did a little shooting today with this "hammer". After all, that's sort of what it looks like. Then I put some air into my AP16, so they both had about 200 bar in them. Same pellets, 14gr. Benjamin Discovery, same miniscule 17ish yard distance. Same off handed shooting. Though the AP19 has a much better red dot sight on it, the Hammer (Ocelot) held its own fairly well. Its hole pattern is a little larger than the AP16's, but not overly so. I'll bet with a better (smaller, more round and not fuzzy) dot, they will be somewhat comparable. I'll get to ordering a better sight, and get myself more used to the heavier weight of the Ocelot (hammer), and shoot both guns, side by side again. Although, that's not my intent, to compare one gun against the other, so much than to just have fun hitting a target well.

As for answering Jungle - I don't have a chronograph, so pellet speed check is out. I can check to see how well the air chamber does as far as pellet count. And I don't do "rested" shooting. To me that makes no sense. It didn't when I was shooting powder fired weapons most every weekend for six or seven years, and it doesn't now. I like to see how well "I" can control the gun, not how well a table and sand bags / bipods can control the gun.

This is all pretty of funny. I never have been much of a "follow the crowd type person". I guess this particular gun purchase proves, that even in my old age, I'm still not. My old girlfriend will get a kick out of all of this hating, from buying such an unpopular gun when I tell her.

Bitch on ladies.



Mike
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They are all good guns, the PP700 is it’s own little beast that most have yet to discover. I once had a 16 inch barrel from Wes and I got the little PP700 to shoot the 7.4 grain crosman pointed pellet like laser at 980fps! The tune can shoot the 12.5grain slug at 770fps but the slug was extremely tight but extremely accurate. Pellet on pellet accuracy at 30 meter with no wind and of course supported since I’m not cattleman airgun sales man.



Be happy with what you have for sure but the PP700 isn’t something that matches it’s price. Regulator sucks so I just scrub first 2 shots or one can get a huma. The 22 barrel isn’t that accurate so get the polished and crowned version from Wes but the cheap crappy looking .177 barrel is a laser pointer. Not quite but almost as good as my 1701P in accuracy and I blame that on the regulator. 


 
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I pulled the center cap out of the shroud...it IS baffled inside the shroud.

The barrel ends way back in the shroud and a two chamber baffle / end cap makes up the rest of the length of the shroud. It's machined aluminum. It's got no damping material. The baffle / cap attaches to the barrel, not the shroud. It's just a slip fit into the end of the shroud.

I'll find something to wrap around the baffle, and hopefully quiet the bark a bit. I don't have a mill or a lath, so it would be expensive to have someone machine something a little more appropriate as a silencer. Plenty doable, just not dollar friendly.



Mike
 
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Spring...no spring in there. Just a machined aluminum sleeve of sorts, divided into two chambers, with thru holes into the pellet path. No moving, or movable parts, just one piece of machined aluminum.

Seems that Scotchbrite is too porous. I tried two different grades (green and dark red) in a Tatsu a while back. Both much more loud than the original Tatsu material.

I cut strips from some old Levies and wrapped them into the two sections / chambers today. Don't think is made the report quieter, but the sharp "crack" is gone, so it made some difference.

So much for the gun being hard to shoot, OR I was really lucky today. I put three pellets into one ragged hole with a fourth hole outside the center but touching the first three. Off hand at about 28ft. I stopped shooting..! No way could I do that again..!

Mike
 
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Here's my project if anyone is interested.

The bare wood is obviously where I've been removing material. A lot in some areas, a little in some areas. Took three tries to get it comfortable. The wing on the left side is almost gone now, it used to go all the way to the top of the grip. The slot for my trigger finger has been lowered and redirected so my finger has a much better shot at the trigger. The groove for my middle finger has been enlarged and lowered for room. The "odd" corners in the grip are gone. The grip was mostly square in the front. Now it's more round like a normal grip. The lower shelf has been lowered a bit to take the "squeeze" out of my fingers.

The grip is now painted in black truck bed paint. A little of a rough surface. Still drying, so I can't show it yet.

Interesting that the "wood" as shown on the grip, is NOT the wood grain of the grip. It's a very thick (about .01" thk), and hard. The actual grain of the wood goes in a different direction than the "wood" color !

Sorry all you haters, this is a nice gun. Now...it's comfortable to hold, it's got a great trigger, it's accurate, if a little nose heavy !

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Mike
 
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Current configuration.

Truck bed paint on the modified grip, a Mk3, SeeAll sight on top. It's taken a little practice, but I'm beginning to really like the SeeAll sights. The Tritium loaded versions are easily "seeable" in low (no) light, no batteries required. Just a coupla minutes under light, and it's ready to use for however long you want to shoot. I have three now, all of the "delta" (solid triangle) version. Just put the sight up so the point of the triangle is just below where you want to hit, there it is.

It'll stay this way for the foreseeable future.

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Mike
 
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