In my opinion the Walther LGV and LGU air rifles is very good and very accurate. Mostly no tuning is also needed (maybe a different trigger if you want to..) and they will give good results. Wish Walther will bring them back.
What is the reason that Walther has discontinued the LGV and LGU air rifles?
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I wish I knew the answer to this. Both rifles are incredible shooters, but like you said, the triggers are not up to par with the competition.
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Spoke with Hector Medina who is in close contact with people at Umarex who makes the Walther spring air rifles. The mold for casting the trigger housing wore out. They do not sell enough Walther LGU and LGV rifles to justify making a new mold for the trigger housing. You need to make at least 1000 units to pay for a mold. They made an executive decision to discontinue production since it was not profitable for them in the long run.
They should have made the trigger housing out of stamped sheet metal like the HWs instead. I will continue to shoot my LGU until I can no longer get spare parts for it.
They should have made the trigger housing out of stamped sheet metal like the HWs instead. I will continue to shoot my LGU until I can no longer get spare parts for it.
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Very interesting information. I can understand the reason about the trigger housing.. Sure they would have done there homework on that. I have the LGV Competition Ultra and have the upgraded trigger in. By far better than any trigger I have ever feel on any of my other air rifles and it was so easy to replace the trigger with the metal one. Love this rifle a lot and won't trade this rifle for any other springer. Did shoot with an LGU and also very very impressed. I like the fact that no tuning is needed.
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Never owned one, but was sorry to hear that these guns had been DQd. Owners seem to universally be happy with the guns, and it is good to have more choice in the market for high quality springers.
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LGV. Too heavy. Too expensive. Too many trigger complaints.
Mostly limited to target use.
Why would I trade an HW95 for that? It more than covers my needs. If I wanted heavy (I don't and I'm plenty fit to carry it trust me) I'd get the HW98 first.
Mostly limited to target use.
Why would I trade an HW95 for that? It more than covers my needs. If I wanted heavy (I don't and I'm plenty fit to carry it trust me) I'd get the HW98 first.
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"It more than covers my needs."
Lucky for you. I have both an LGV and an LGU and have no need for an HW95. Strange how that works.
Lucky for you. I have both an LGV and an LGU and have no need for an HW95. Strange how that works.
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I HAD an HW95 and 98, both in .177, Motorhead tuned. Sold both HWs while my LGV Challenger Ultra and Master Pro .177s have a permanent home in my gun cabinet.
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And I'm in the process of getting rid of my HW95L, while keeping my LGV Ultra .22 cal for good, and looking for a deal for another LGV.
The Walther LGV is to me what a high-dollar German airgun should be: well-mannered, quiet and deadly accurate right out of the box. Also, very easy to take apart if need be. Weihrauchs cost almost as much, but are rough in comparison, needing lots of pellets and / or tweaking to lose the buzz, the noise, the burrs etc. Also, my HW95L .22 cal was never especially accurate. The LGV is.
The Walther LGV is to me what a high-dollar German airgun should be: well-mannered, quiet and deadly accurate right out of the box. Also, very easy to take apart if need be. Weihrauchs cost almost as much, but are rough in comparison, needing lots of pellets and / or tweaking to lose the buzz, the noise, the burrs etc. Also, my HW95L .22 cal was never especially accurate. The LGV is.
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I am so glad you guys think and feel the same as I do! I will sell all my Weirauch air rifles and keep my Walther LGV and buy an LGU if possible one day. I just wish someone could talk to the Walther factory and tell them how we feel and what great guns this is, so that they can bring them back to be manufactured. I just love how consistent they are and deadly accurate without tuning, deburring and polishing.
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The LGU is still being sold in the European continent and I have not read anything in the UK about the two models being discontinued. I will ask a few questions as I have an LGU. A rifle of build quality and exceptional accuracy.
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I seriously doubt their claim that it's due to a failed trigger mold. Walther is one of the world's top producers of handguns for police and military. Don't tell me they can't dedicate a CNC machine to crank out a few thousand metal triggers. Sheesh.
Walther is still around. Their home site is full of high priced, competition PCPs. Krale lists Walther, but they're only PCPs.
The reason may be related to Umarex buying Walther back around 1996. Umarex is enormous. They may have decided to thin their herd down a little. Kind of like General Motors shutting down Pontiac and Oldsmobile. Too much internal diversification.
I would have bought a Walther if they made a decent HW50 competitor. Something light, classical, and easy to carry.
Walther is still around. Their home site is full of high priced, competition PCPs. Krale lists Walther, but they're only PCPs.
The reason may be related to Umarex buying Walther back around 1996. Umarex is enormous. They may have decided to thin their herd down a little. Kind of like General Motors shutting down Pontiac and Oldsmobile. Too much internal diversification.
I would have bought a Walther if they made a decent HW50 competitor. Something light, classical, and easy to carry.
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I know this is an old post, but YES ... a "failed trigger guard mold" reasoning for stopping production sounds absurd.
- More likely, Walther counted on a 10+ pound gun with suspect trigger being desired by the masses -> enough to generate sustainable profits.
They were wrong (even though the gun was otherwise exceptional)
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The issue is as follows…
The Walther produced a performance straight from the box which outshot the HW (pre tuned) as it was already fitted OEM with perfect fitting Delrin guides, selected by hand for perfect fits…..great.
However, for some crazy reasoning, the Breech block had no more build quality to it than a Crosman 766 being a cast clam shell. Fine on a budget pumper, but nowhere near enough build for a full power springer.
It got found out by British tuners and the sales fell off a cliff.
Another issue was the high quality of the hand selected springs against its OEM guides, being perfect.
I have said it time after time in regard the home tuner etc….dont go too tight on your tolerances.
They do not need to be better than 0.1mm as guides will effectively damp more than adequately with that level of tolerance, but go tighter and you will risk issues creeping in, from temp contraction.
In this case (with Walther) the spring occasionally grabbing the guide at the completion of stroke and ripping it out of the weak clam shell….or even cracking the clam shell.
I can only speak for what happened here, where many stockists stopped buying them in, but I had not heard they had stopped making them altogether?
They was trying to push a new stocked version of the LGV the last i heard…but specialist tuning house HW97ks pretty much have the market cornered ….if wanting a springer….massive build quality to the receiver and trigger components…relatively speaking…..just need tweaking a bit.
The Walther produced a performance straight from the box which outshot the HW (pre tuned) as it was already fitted OEM with perfect fitting Delrin guides, selected by hand for perfect fits…..great.
However, for some crazy reasoning, the Breech block had no more build quality to it than a Crosman 766 being a cast clam shell. Fine on a budget pumper, but nowhere near enough build for a full power springer.
It got found out by British tuners and the sales fell off a cliff.
Another issue was the high quality of the hand selected springs against its OEM guides, being perfect.
I have said it time after time in regard the home tuner etc….dont go too tight on your tolerances.
They do not need to be better than 0.1mm as guides will effectively damp more than adequately with that level of tolerance, but go tighter and you will risk issues creeping in, from temp contraction.
In this case (with Walther) the spring occasionally grabbing the guide at the completion of stroke and ripping it out of the weak clam shell….or even cracking the clam shell.
I can only speak for what happened here, where many stockists stopped buying them in, but I had not heard they had stopped making them altogether?
They was trying to push a new stocked version of the LGV the last i heard…but specialist tuning house HW97ks pretty much have the market cornered ….if wanting a springer….massive build quality to the receiver and trigger components…relatively speaking…..just need tweaking a bit.
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Hey Steveoo,
Nice to get more insight on a gun that I almost purchased a number of times, but could never "pull the trigger" on.
- When you look at its disassembly, way too many moving parts.
- Weihrauch and AA are much simpler designs - which means less things to break.
Nice to get more insight on a gun that I almost purchased a number of times, but could never "pull the trigger" on.
- When you look at its disassembly, way too many moving parts.
- Weihrauch and AA are much simpler designs - which means less things to break.
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Simpler, and more lasting build quality.
You have to think a lot of these old tuning houses remember working on the HW80 back in the day, which had the most massive receiver/trigger block of all time….Probably took one look at the guts on the LGV and thought how we going to guarantee our work…
You have to think a lot of these old tuning houses remember working on the HW80 back in the day, which had the most massive receiver/trigger block of all time….Probably took one look at the guts on the LGV and thought how we going to guarantee our work…
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I botched the trigger so bad on mine that I shy from taking more than a few shots on occasion.
Doubt I’ll ever sell, though. Shame they won’t offer a fix.
Doubt I’ll ever sell, though. Shame they won’t offer a fix.Upvote 0