What Paper Target Did You Shoot Today

[rsfrid]

Shooting it will take me some time to get the hang of since it’s doesn’t have a regulator. The POI changes as the velocity climbs and falls.

It’s possible to put a regulator in the air tube (a friend of mine did it to his) but it cuts air tube down by about half. Shots are more consistent.

 

[ThomasT]

Hello everyone,

Early start to my indoor shooting this morning . I decided to shoot this paper target with 2 hands standing instead of the Olympic style one hand. First 5 shots all in the 10-Ring , then 2 shots in the 9-Ring and the last 3 in the 8-Ring ????

OK the good news is that I have a LOT of room for improvement

Range: 15 - Feet Indoors
Rifle: Diana Bandit .177 caliber
Scope: None used Iron Sights
Pellets: H&N Finale Match 8.18gr Wadcutter
FPS: 475
FPE: 4.1
Position: Two Handed Standing

ThomasT

 

[SilentSquirrel]

Hello @rsfrid

Boy that lady has a great stance, she is looking right down her arm and the barrel.

ThomasT

Look again. Thomas
It's all in the hips

 

[ThomasT]

Look again. Thomas
It's all in the hips

Hello @SilentSquirrel

Well there in lies my problem, my old bones will not allow me to do very much with my hips . She looks so balanced and steady.

ThomasT

 

[manabeknives]

i got a cramp tring to shoot in that position

 

[ThomasT]

Hello everyone,

OK I finally received the last component needed to finish the upgrade for the Diana Bandit, the Buck Rail AR Conversion with the Grip Adapter in Black. This baby fits my hand like it grew on me and now the Pistol comes in at exactly 2-pounds as seen in the photo .

Shot the first paper target two handed fast ( aim-fire-cock, aim-fire-cock, etc ) but I did concentrate on acquiring the Red-X before firing. Still shot one 8, dang it.

Shot the second target two handed rested and really took my time on each shot. So this shows that any shot not on the Red-X in the future is all my fault .

Range: 15 - Feet Indoors
Pistol: Diana Bandit .177 caliber modified w/Buck Rail AR Conversion & Grip
Scope: None used Iron Sights
Pellets: H&N Finale Match 8.18gr Wadcutter
FPS: 475
FPE: 4.1
Position: Two Handed Standing and Two Handed Rested

ThomasT

 

[beerthief]

Hello everyone,

OK I finally received the last component needed to finish the upgrade for the Diana Bandit, the Buck Rail AR Conversion with the Grip Adapter in Black. This baby fits my hand like it grew on me and now the Pistol comes in at exactly 2-pounds as seen in the photo .

Shot the first paper target two handed fast ( aim-fire-cock, aim-fire-cock, etc ) but I did concentrate on acquiring the Red-X before firing. Still shot one 8, dang it.

Shot the second target two handed rested and really took my time on each shot. So this shows that any shot not on the Red-X in the future is all my fault .

Range: 15 - Feet Indoors
Pistol: Diana Bandit .177 caliber modified w/Buck Rail AR Conversion & Grip
Scope: None used Iron Sights
Pellets: H&N Finale Match 8.18gr Wadcutter
FPS: 475
FPE: 4.1
Position: Two Handed Standing and Two Handed Rested

ThomasT
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very very nice . over the winter i am still outside (so i can blame the cold for wobbly /shaky hand )

 

[jetpopt]

I wanted to work on correcting the tendency of RH shots to hit to the left of POA and of LH shots to hit to the right of POA, which was clear in the previous photo (as well as something I had noticed for a long time). I shot two of these targets today, same details as before, including two-handed hold in all cases.

The first target shows that I did indeed correct the side-to-side biases. Too bad that elevation didn't get the same attention.

The second target shows that I managed to continue improvement of the LH shots. BUT my RH shots went to h3ll.

Frustrated, I switched to shooting a pellet tin propped inside a soup can with its open end toward me, from 33'. The RH bugaboo persisted until I figured out that when shooting RH, my head tends to scrunch downward a bit, and my shooting arm then also points slightly downward. When I consciously stopped doing that, the shots immediately hit either the exact POA or very close to it. The scrunching doesn't happen on my left side. (I am right-eye dominant and right-hand dominant.)

The hard part will be paying scrupulous attention to everything, both sides, any target, while also fixing this habit. What a head game...

 

[rsfrid]

I wanted to work on correcting the tendency of RH shots to hit to the left of POA and of LH shots to hit to the right of POA, which was clear in the previous photo (as well as something I had noticed for a long time). I shot two of these targets today, same details as before, including two-handed hold in all cases.

The first target shows that I did indeed correct the side-to-side biases. Too bad that elevation didn't get the same attention.

The second target shows that I managed to continue improvement of the LH shots. BUT my RH shots went to h3ll.

Frustrated, I switched to shooting a pellet tin propped inside a soup can with its open end toward me, from 33'. The RH bugaboo persisted until I figured out that when shooting RH, my head tends to scrunch downward a bit, and my shooting arm then also points slightly downward. When I consciously stopped doing that, the shots immediately hit either the exact POA or very close to it. The scrunching doesn't happen on my left side. (I am right-eye dominant and right-hand dominant.)

The hard part will be paying scrupulous attention to everything, both sides, any target, while also fixing this habit. What a head game...

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I have found after years of pistol shooting that it can take months of drill to automatically place your finger in exactly the right spot on the trigger to keep from pushing or pulling the pistol left or right. Two handed can help since the off hand (weak side) can be used to counter a bad habit with trigger placement, but in the end one must train to place the finger pad exactly correct and always the same. Rifle shooters have an easier time, but the finger placement is still the same. Up or down tends to be anticipating the shot (tends up) or pulling the shot (tends down). Right now I struggle with pulling the shots since my entire group tends low. The good thing here is that you see what’s going on and are working to correct it. Keep up the practice.

 

[jetpopt]

I have found after years of pistol shooting that it can take months of drill to automatically place your finger in exactly the right spot on the trigger to keep from pushing or pulling the pistol left or right. Two handed can help since the off hand (weak side) can be used to counter a bad habit with trigger placement, but in the end one must train to place the finger pad exactly correct and always the same. Rifle shooters have an easier time, but the finger placement is still the same. Up or down tends to be anticipating the shot (tends up) or pulling the shot (tends down). Right now I struggle with pulling the shots since my entire group tends low. The good thing here is that you see what’s going on and are working to correct it. Keep up the practice.

Thank you. It didn't occur to me that trigger finger placement might play a role in the biases. I think this is a big factor with my PB (harder trigger pull), but it is something for me to watch for in the next practice with the air pistol, too.

I do love the trigger on the P3. I have not settled on whether it's better to bring the trigger up to the second stage and then shoot, or to just make one continuous movement through both stages. Any thoughts on that?

Practicing frequently, at home, and sometimes on the spur of the moment/weather, is a HUGE PLUS with air guns!

 

[rsfrid]

Thank you. It didn't occur to me that trigger finger placement might play a role in the biases. I think this is a big factor with my PB (harder trigger pull), but it is something for me to watch for in the next practice with the air pistol, too.

I do love the trigger on the P3. I have not settled on whether it's better to bring the trigger up to the second stage and then shoot, or to just make one continuous movement through both stages. Any thoughts on that?

Practicing frequently, at home, and sometimes on the spur of the moment/weather, is a HUGE PLUS with air guns!

With two stage triggers, I prefer to take up slack by flexing finger back and forth - it just helps me visualize where or when trigger will break. The break is a separate and second action. This is very important with light triggers - to not accidentally make the shot when you aren't ready. Really no difference between staging trigger with powder burners or air. A trigger is a trigger - the process to trip the sear is the same. Also try going into the zone - visualize (or previsualize) where the pellet will hit, then send it there. Block out all outside noises or distractions. Visualize squeezing trigger in a smooth fashion - don't pull trigger, squeeze trigger slowly and evenly. With enough practice the groups will settle in. Yes, the secret is in repetition and muscle memory. How many shots do you think Olympic pistol shooters make over a season to be ready for a match?

 

[Ranchibi]

Hello everyone,

OK I finally received the last component needed to finish the upgrade for the Diana Bandit, the Buck Rail AR Conversion with the Grip Adapter in Black. This baby fits my hand like it grew on me and now the Pistol comes in at exactly 2-pounds as seen in the photo .

Shot the first paper target two handed fast ( aim-fire-cock, aim-fire-cock, etc ) but I did concentrate on acquiring the Red-X before firing. Still shot one 8, dang it.

Shot the second target two handed rested and really took my time on each shot. So this shows that any shot not on the Red-X in the future is all my fault .

Range: 15 - Feet Indoors
Pistol: Diana Bandit .177 caliber modified w/Buck Rail AR Conversion & Grip
Scope: None used Iron Sights
Pellets: H&N Finale Match 8.18gr Wadcutter
FPS: 475
FPE: 4.1
Position: Two Handed Standing and Two Handed Rested

ThomasT
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Thomas, your Bandit looks quite stealthy all modded now and what a shooter! Nice cards

 

[ThomasT]

I wanted to work on correcting the tendency of RH shots to hit to the left of POA and of LH shots to hit to the right of POA, which was clear in the previous photo (as well as something I had noticed for a long time). I shot two of these targets today, same details as before, including two-handed hold in all cases.

The first target shows that I did indeed correct the side-to-side biases. Too bad that elevation didn't get the same attention.

The second target shows that I managed to continue improvement of the LH shots. BUT my RH shots went to h3ll.

Frustrated, I switched to shooting a pellet tin propped inside a soup can with its open end toward me, from 33'. The RH bugaboo persisted until I figured out that when shooting RH, my head tends to scrunch downward a bit, and my shooting arm then also points slightly downward. When I consciously stopped doing that, the shots immediately hit either the exact POA or very close to it. The scrunching doesn't happen on my left side. (I am right-eye dominant and right-hand dominant.)

The hard part will be paying scrupulous attention to everything, both sides, any target, while also fixing this habit. What a head game...

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Hello @jetpopt

Well your worst shot target is a whole lot better than my best shot target. Keep practicing and you will iron out those little details. Two well shot paper targets for sure.

ThomasT

 

[ThomasT]

Thomas, your Bandit looks quite stealthy all modded now and what a shooter! Nice cards

Hello @Ranchibi

I agree, I really am pleased with how it looks now, to me it looks like an entirely different Pistol. The way it feels in my hand is a complete transformation and to the good.

ThomasT

 

[ThomasT]

Hello everyone,

I have some business to take care of in town today so I shot my paper targets indoors really early.

I have to start off by saying that I am overly pleased with this new Diana Bandit Pistol and all of the modifications . I’m now calling it “The Chameleon”because it has preformed so well in Off-Hand, Benchrest/Bags and now Bipod, using Iron Sights, Regular Scope and now with a Red Dot scope. The only weakness is me ( the shooter ) and lack of ability to shoot well Off-Hand. The blue arrow denotes an almost 2 in 1 hole POI. This is three shots at each target and I use the Spotter Scope to view the impact after each shot.

Range: 15 - Feet Indoors
Pistol: Diana Bandit .177 caliber modified w/Buck Rail AR Conversion & Grip
Scope: The Hawkeye Red Dot
Pellets: H&N Finale Match 8.18gr Wadcutter
FPS: 475
FPE: 4.1
Position: Bench with Bipod and rear Bag

ThomasT

 

[jetpopt]

ThomasT,

Some company could market such a versatile gun model under the Chameleon name.

The scope looks ginormous next to the gun!

 

[jetpopt]

Hello @jetpopt

Well your worst shot target is a whole lot better than my best shot target. Keep practicing and you will iron out those little details. Two well shot paper targets for sure.

ThomasT

If you haven't been shooting offhand much, that's got to be the only reason for the difference. I've shot mostly without external support, especially the last few months. But it is not at paper bulls, although it is from farther away. If the pellet hit on the tin but not real close to POA, it was "good enough." I need to practice more on paper targets, for sure.

The gun itself can do much better, based on the times I shot off a bin with a front bag on it. Which was a long time ago. Winter will force me indoors soon, though. (I don't shoot standing indoors, not much risk of a big error but the consequences are bad.)

Thanks to those who offered advice and/or encouragement.

 

[ThomasT]

ThomasT,

Some company could market such a versatile gun model under the Chameleon name.

The scope looks ginormous next to the gun!

Hello @jetpopt

If a company made and sold them I surely would be a customer

That spotter scope is the one I use when shooting my PB 22LR on the 100-yard range, it is a bit of an over kill here in my shop

ThomasT

 

[Ranchibi]

Hello everyone,

I have some business to take care of in town today so I shot my paper targets indoors really early.

I have to start off by saying that I am overly pleased with this new Diana Bandit Pistol and all of the modifications . I’m now calling it “The Chameleon”because it has preformed so well in Off-Hand, Benchrest/Bags and now Bipod, using Iron Sights, Regular Scope and now with a Red Dot scope. The only weakness is me ( the shooter ) and lack of ability to shoot well Off-Hand. The blue arrow denotes an almost 2 in 1 hole POI. This is three shots at each target and I use the Spotter Scope to view the impact after each shot.

Range: 15 - Feet Indoors
Pistol: Diana Bandit .177 caliber modified w/Buck Rail AR Conversion & Grip
Scope: The Hawkeye Red Dot
Pellets: H&N Finale Match 8.18gr Wadcutter
FPS: 475
FPE: 4.1
Position: Bench with Bipod and rear Bag

ThomasT
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Thomas, that is one GOOD LOOKING pistola! Very handsome indeed

 

[ThomasT]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to re-shoot this same paper target that I shot yesterday after I made a few small adjustments to the Red-Dot scope. All my shots yesterday were a bit low so a slight adjustment brought the “Dot” up. This morning most POI’s are in the center, with a couple off by a bit and that is the fault of the shooter. The Blue Arrow denotes 2 POI’s in the same hole. As a side note: the last shot was with the Cylinder Pressure just a touch above the “Yellow” minimum PSI, not bad for an un-regulated Pistol ( total of 70 shots on this fill ) .

Range: 15 - Feet Indoors
Pistol: Diana Bandit .177 caliber modified w/Buck Rail AR Conversion & Grip
Scope: The Hawkeye Red Dot
Pellets: H&N Finale Match 8.18gr Wadcutter
FPS: 475
FPE: 4.1
Position: Bench with Bipod and rear Bag

ThomasT