Florida_Man,Current 6-24 Element Helix. Got caught in the Ted Bier hype on it. It’s not a bad scope, but I want better glass. Just ordered an Athlon Midas Tac HD 6-24. An Athlon was on my shortlist when I bought the Element. So I’ve wanted to try an Athlon for 2 years
I use two Hawke’s, a Vantage and Airmax on smaller carbines. I also have 2 Vector Veyrons on my PP700 carbines. These are all set up for 25y and in pesting.
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I'll post in hereFlorida_Man,
I am curious to know how you think the MTac compares to the Helix. But I do not want to derail the OP's concerns!
Thank you. S7
This is true for the most part with these caveats.My understanding is that almost all rifle scope "brands" are made in 2 or 3 factories in China. Which means almost every scope we buy, no matter the brand, is about the same. The key, for us simple folk, is to decipher the who (makes the scope) using the what (types of glass and fittings). I suspect many of the popular brands are simply copies, with slight changes, between each other. The scope brands guard this secret the same way pellet companies guard theirs. At the end of the day, though, your Vortex, Bloodhound, Athlon, Element, Optisan, MTC, etc..etc.. etc..are all made in the same factory, with the same materials...it is just the specifications that are different. We consumers would save a great deal of money if we could decipher the factory codes....
Its as simple as - of the factories in China that produce Optics there is at least one known for putting out higher quality.I am confused by your reply. Please clarify.
Okay, Steve.Its as simple as - of the factories in China that produce Optics there is at least one known for putting out higher quality.
Most of us have bought or ran across crappy "non" quality Chinese made scopes that are almost disposable in nature and there are also many manufacturers that are not in touch with what a lot of shooters prefer as far as features sets, reticles, etc, and regardless are not desiring to make higher quality Optics anyway.
That being said there are also factories that put out acceptable Optics as far as quality but fall short to that particular factory I mentioned.
That's all I'll say on the subject.
Plus, I now see you say you spoke your fill on this matter, so disregard my post question. I won’t be intrusive with you. S7Okay, Steve.
Are you at liberty to say whether or not this superior factory works with multiple companies? I would assume they do. If you don’t want to answer this, I respect that.
Thanks. S7
Edit: Steve, I went back and reread post 94, and you’ve already singled out one company.
I am going to back off and give Steve his space. S7I would certainly like to know which factory is producing the 'good stuff.' I did not see anything in post 94 that was of help.
please tell us more about that ten mile....Trijicon Tenmile 4-24x50 on my Ghost and Pathfinder. Best scope I have ever owned
That PRS looks serious......Leica PRS 5-30x56
Vortex Razor LHT 4.5-22X50
Delta stryker HD 4.5-30x56 (x2)
Crimson trace 2series 4-16x50
How does the Theos compare to your other high-end scopes? I just recently purchased the Element Nexus and it's on the same level as my Nightforce NX8 scope. Incredible glass and solid turrets, and the compact build/weight just adds the cherry on top and if you've ever spent time behind a Nexus do you think the Theos is worth the extra $1200?Vortex PST2
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I have a few and I enjoy them all. But honestly I have been really enjoying the Theos. Was a bit of money, but it is by far the clearest optic I have used.
I don't have the money to buy a different scope for each rifle. I have a few digital scopes where I can have it record zeros for all of my rifles. So I just mount (quick-release) and pick the zero preset.Dang some of you guys spend some serious money on glass. I'm almost exclusively using UTG stuff. Love the 3-12 SWAT compacts and the OP3 scopes. I own too many rifles to spend big money on glass like that. On my powder burners I like Athlon.
I really like it. Honestly I like it far more than the tract. Glass is extremely clear, clicks are nice and positive, the elevation knob is quite large and easy to manipulate.How does the Theos compare to your other high-end scopes? I just recently purchased the Element Nexus and it's on the same level as my Nightforce NX8 scope. Incredible glass and solid turrets, and the compact build/weight just adds the cherry on top and if you've ever spent time behind a Nexus do you think the Theos is worth the extra $1200?