What was the first semi automatic pellet gun?

[Miami Airgunner]

Ostensibly, the Crosman 600 was the first semi automatic pellet pistol, and came around in the 60's, but what was the first semi automatic pellet rifle?

I got the rare Google "Oh, that's not on the internet, please help us to get an answer" response when I googled it.

So, what was it?

 

[Gerry52]

FX Revolution was the first that I was AWARE of about 5 or 6 years. Ted did a video on the Extreme accuracy of them but I also heard that a lot could go wrong with them too.

 

[BigTinBoat]

The Crosman 1077 has been out almost 30 years

 

[AirNGasman]

If I'm not mistaken, the 1077 is actually a double-action revolver disguised as a semi-auto; like several Co2 pistol models. Some would argue those are not true semi-autos.

 

[Miami Airgunner]

If I'm not mistaken, the 1077 is actually a double-action revolver disguised as a semi-auto; like several Co2 pistol models. Some would argue those are not true semi-autos.

To be clear, yes, I am indeed trying to suss out the first semi auto that relies on gas (or other?) operation, since it does fundamentally differ from the revolver design. Still, the 1077 is interesting and adds a great data point for my knowledge around this, so it's totally relevant, if not the exact answer I'm seeking out.

I'm also thinking of reasonable power as well, nothing that is useful only as a toy, so not something that tossed lead at 350fps. ;-)

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

FX Revolution and Monsoon are the first I can remember off, next would be tha Evanix Full/Semi auto.

 

[BigTinBoat]

With the definition changing I can't say whether this fits or not but there was a Chinese patent for a semi automatic air rifle filed in 1992

 

[Miami Airgunner]

With the definition changing I can't say whether this fits or not but there was a Chinese patent for a semi automatic air rifle filed in 1992

That's pretty cool, though, after examining the patent, it appears to be a bad translation, as there is quite clearly a bolt involved in the action. Unless, of course, that's a cocking handle, I guess it could be?

Looking at the action it'd have to be an open-bolt design, if that was the case, which I guess works, maybe?

 

[dizzums]

the evanix battery powered ones were the first i saw anyway ..

 

[MileHighAirGunner]

Not sure what was the first semi auto pellet rifle but according to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosman_Nightstalker the Crosman Night Stalker was the first semi auto pellet rifle featuring a blow back action. Produced in 2005

 

[Privateer]

Crosman 1077 debuted in 1994

 

[badger5th]

If I'm not mistaken, the 1077 is actually a double-action revolver disguised as a semi-auto; like several Co2 pistol models. Some would argue those are not true semi-autos.

It's a semi-semi-auto

Not sure what was the first semi auto pellet rifle but according to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosman_Nightstalker the Crosman Night Stalker was the first semi auto pellet rifle featuring a blow back action. Produced in 2005
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It looks... Klingon

 

[MileHighAirGunner]

Crosman 1077 debuted in 1994

Yes, but as the other guys above said the 1077 isn’t a true semi auto. It’s works more like a double action revolver.

 

[Privateer]

Some would argue that Yeah. But if you pull the trigger and it fires?
That's semi auto to me.

 

[badger5th]

The closest air gun analogous function to a PB semi-auto would be if a portion of the air or CO2 released from the valve when shooting operated the indexing of the magazine or other portion of the gun to feed another pellet/BB into firing position AND recocked the hammer. Any effort on the trigger that feeds/indexes the next round and/or cocks a hammer is "double action".

 

[badger5th]

Some would argue that Yeah. But if you pull the trigger and it fires?
That's semi auto to me.

Semi-auto (in a PB) "officially" is a single function of the trigger that performs the following sequence once using solely the energy of the firing: Fires, extracts, ejects, cocks, feeds, and locks.

Semi-auto in an air gun? I would look for as much in common as practical/feasible with the aforementioned PB sequence of operation. Since an air gun does not use cartridges with separate projectiles and casings I would look for: Pulling trigger releases a hammer which opens a valve releasing propellant gas that shoots the projectile. There is no extraction or ejection with an airgun. The next projectile would be fed into firing position either by means of a magazine spring (BB guns like the Beretta M9 or Umarex MP40 replicas OR a rotating/indexing magazine is rotated solely by means of the gas used firing the shot. The hammer would also need to be cocked using energy from the gas used in firing. Technically this step does not apply to striker fired PB's, don't know if there are "striker operated" airgun gas valves. There is no feeding with airguns. I don't know enough about if some more powerful PCP's "lock" or not. Regards

 

[BigTinBoat]

If I'm not mistaken, the 1077 is actually a double-action revolver disguised as a semi-auto; like several Co2 pistol models. Some would argue those are not true semi-autos.

So compared to a SA revolver why wouldn't a DA revolver be considered "semi-auto"?

 

[moodyblues]

So compared to a SA revolver why wouldn't a DA revolver be considered "semi-auto"?

Because you’re cocking the gun with your trigger finger. A double action revolver takes the cocking action from your thumb and gives it to your trigger finger.

Beau

 

[BigTinBoat]

Because you’re cocking the gun with your trigger finger. A double action revolver takes the cocking action from your thumb and gives it to your trigger finger.

Beau

So then what about Walther PP guns? Are you says that they aren't Semi-Auto? They have a "Double Action" trigger.

 

[Miami Airgunner]

If we can, let's steer clear of any discussion of the PB stuff. Don't need to turn an interesting discussion into a rules violation.