What's the difference between a UK Bobcat and an USA one?

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I am planning on taking my gun to Greece with me this year. If I were to fly directly from the US to Greece (including layover where you DO NOT get your luggage) , it wouldn't be a problem. However, since I am going to stay a week in Germany, I can't take my gun without either modifying it, faking some paperwork, or pull some other trick out of my sleeve.

That said, I would think the easiest and safest way is to "convert" my gun to UK specs, and then back to US specs once I get to Greece!?

Since I really don't know much about air rifles, I am left with having to take an educated guess:

Changing the regulator???

Thanks,

Kmd

EDIT: After having some jackass derail my thread, let me clarify something:

I once bought a car in the US and shipped it to Germany. Once it got to Germany, they had to change a few things in order to make it street legal. This was done by a shop and in full compliance with the German "DMV". Nothing shady, illegal, unethical, corrupt, strange, interesting, or what not about it. LOL. Just some simple modifications and that was it. In other words: The car was essentially the same with the exception of a few parts. 

That said. I assume that the same goes for US vs. UK air rifle?! More power = US version, less power = UK version. I get that. What I would like to know is, how is that power difference achieved? It must be the regulator, right? If so, what does it take to switch between the two version???
 
1. "What is the best way to keep white tennis shoes clean? You buy black ones!" Yeah, great advice.
2. Is this the license you are referring to? If so, why would consider this "easy"? You really want me to go and open a store so I can take an air rifle with me to Greece?

I never said I would fake paperwork. I brought it up as a hypothetical "option". Besides, I am glad that you "know" all of this would happen, IF one decides to fake their paperwork!? Interesting...

Maybe someone else is out there that might have an answer to my question?!

What it the difference between the two guns?

Thanks,

Kmd
 
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"iride"In some places a high powered air gun is just like a firearm, You have to own a firearms license to own one,
I am sure the laws are pretty strict ,
Mike
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Exactly.
Greece is not the problem, but Germany is. I know what the law says in Germany, and in order to own an air rifle with more than 7.5 joule muzzle energy, you have to have some sort of gun license, and/or a hunting license. Not sure how to get the "gun license" (for the lack of a better word), but a hunting license in Germany requires you to get 60 hours theory, and 60 hours of practice. It also costs around $2000 bucks. I have the money, the brains but might not have the time... : )

Thanks,

Kmd
 
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What I am trying to say is:

The difference between a semi automatic AK-47, and a fully automatic AK-47, is a simple "hack", but they still sell the semi automatic. No one sits there and says, "We are not going to sell it, because it can be easy modified to being a fully automatic." Right? 

Same must somehow apply to an air rifle?!
The US version has more power.
Why does it have more power?
Because the regulator is "more open".

If that is the case, why would I not be able to make my air rifle comply with local regulations, while in Germany, and then "crank up the power" again when in Greece? Doe snot seem the slightest illegal or shady to me.

Thanks,

Kmd
 
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No I do not think you are correct with your response to my suggestions. 
With respect ... when you say "I have the money, the brains, but ,might not have the time", from your previous childish rant, I believe you may only have the money.
Looking forward to seeing you in an a hilarious episode of "Border Patrol". :)

EDITED in case you feel the above is too harsh:
- In this thread you state: "I never said I would fake paperwork. I brought it up as a hypothetical “option”. Besides, I am glad that you “know” all of this would happen, IF one decides to fake their paperwork!? Interesting…"

- In another (Older) thread about transporting guns across Europe you also say: "On the other hand, I might as well “fake” a Chrono “certificate” and leave the gun the way it is?! Thanks, Kmd"

Interesting .... 
 
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"GriffyGriff"No I do not think you are correct with your response to my suggestions. 
With respect ... when you say "I have the money, the brains, but ,might not have the time", from your previous childish rant, I believe you may only have the money.
Looking forward to seeing you in an a hilarious episode of "Border Patrol". :)
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"Your suggestion"? What suggestion was that? To not take the gun, and instead buy, or rent one??? How is that a solution to me wanting to take my gun???
Oh wait, the other idea you had was to get a firearms license. Well, you not only failed to answer my original question, but you also chose to ignore my second question... "Is this the license you are talking about?!" If so, are you really considering this an easy way of getting my gun to Europe?!

"Childish rant". LOL. Dude, you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself! How was that a rant?! Man, you must be an accountant or something like that. 

With respect... if you have nothing to add, and are done hearing yourself "talk", please stop spamming my thread. Thank you. 

Kmd
 
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EDIT: 

1. One thing has nothing to do with the other. You were commenting on what was said here, not what was said in another thread. Fact is that you were assuming something that is not true. True is, that in this thread, I never said that I would fake paperwork. I guess you have never been to court, have you?! 
2. You are assuming again... You assume that I was "serious" when I made the above mentioned statement in the other thread?! Why? I was simply saying implying that I might as well do "this or that", simply to express my frustration with the subject.

So, there is nothing really that interesting about what I said in an earlier thread. However, what I find interesting, is the fact that you spend some time going over old threads of mine. I guess you have nothing better to do, correct?! (ATTENTION! HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION AGAIN! DO NOT ANSWER!)

Kmd
 
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KMD
Let me be clear here.
I was NOT trying to hijack your thread, i was trying to give you some options to avoid you losing your gun and I guess you didn't like to hear that.

However your logic with a car etc doesn't stack up.
With a car you are given leeway to ensure that it complies with the country's leagal requirements before you can lawfully drive it on their roads.
With a gun, that is treated as a restricted firearm, you will not get past Customs and your gun may be seized. It is not as simple as backing the regulator down to sub 12ft lbs just to get it past customs, where the Country has restrictive gun laws.

Your best bet would be to have a firearms certificate which covers and extends beyond airgun calibres/power and then email German Customs for advice.
Cheers "The Jackass"
 
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"GriffyGriff"KMD
Let me be clear here.
I was NOT trying to hijack your thread, i was trying to give you some options to avoid you losing your gun and I guess you didn't like to hear that.

However your logic with a car etc doesn't stack up.
With a car you are given leeway to ensure that it complies with the country's leagal requirements before you can lawfully drive it on their roads.
With a gun, that is treated as a restricted firearm, you will not get past Customs and your gun may be seized. It is not as simple as backing the regulator down to sub 12ft lbs just to get it past customs, where the Country has restrictive gun laws.

Your best bet would be to have a firearms certificate which covers and extends beyond airgun calibres/power and then email German Customs for advice.
Cheers "The Jackass"
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I know that you were not "trying" to hijack my thread, but you did. 
I understand that you were "trying" to give me options, but again, you did not. Your suggestion of NOT taking my gun, and instead renting or buying one, is NOT an option. The whole point of this thread is to figure out how to take MY gun with me, and not how to rent or buy one! Why is that so hard to understand??? Of course did I not like to hear that, simply because it has nothing to do with what I am trying to find out...

The scenario with the car is not to be looked at as a "Logic", rather than as an Example. However, I agree that importing a car that is not street legal will still make it through customs, whereas importing a gun without either having the proper paperwork, or it not being in compliance with the local regulations, will not make it past customs, but it was never about that. 

There are many products sold, in many different countries, that are practically the same. The only difference might be an electronic/mechanical limiter of some sort, so the given product will comply with local laws and regulations. Sometimes those limiters are nothing but going into the menu [often hidden] and changing the settings. I had a Lexus once that had a hidden menu. Once you got into it, you could do all kinds of stuff, like allowing the input of an address into the NAV while driving.

That said, take the Lexus as an example:
You buy that Lexus in India where entering your address while driving is legal.
You know it would never make it through customs with the NAV like that, so you go into the menu and change it.
You make it through customs. Great.
You drive that car for a while in the US.
You now want to go back to India.
You go back and once there, you change the menu again and BAM, all is good. 

I really don't see how, and why, someone doing that would break the law, or end up in an episode of "Border Patrol"???

Kmd

p.s. I over simplified my example and I have no idea what the laws actually are in India, ha ha. 
 
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So... I just spoke to a shop in Germany that specializes in Air Guns! The guy was really cool and pretty much answered all my questions! (Should have called him first, before starting this thread, ha ha). Anyhow, bottom line is, it is not only the "power" of the gun that is causing a problem, but also the gun itself. In other words, regardless of the power of the gun, ALL FX airguns require certain licenses. In this case a yellow and/or green weapons card, or whatever they were called. Doesn't really matter, as I have none of them, ha ha. 

Anyhow, he also gave me the number of a company that specializes in transporting weapons. Maybe they can help?! I sent them an email...

Thanks,

Kmd
 
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