What's the fascination with "slugs"?

IMO what you are seeing is largely self-referential. People are talking about slugs because (other) people are talking about slugs. It's a recent innovation, and so people are tinkering with the concept, and that results in some initial noise. Once this initial "feel out the new thing" phase is over, people will talk a lot less about slugs.
I think you'll see more slugs being shot in the future not less. In the wind and at long distance they are superior to pellets. They will never replace pellets and pellets will always have a place in airguns but once dialed in pellets can't compete in long range hunting or PRS/NRL22 style shooting.
 
I think you'll see more slugs being shot in the future not less. In the wind and at long distance they are superior to pellets. They will never replace pellets and pellets will always have a place in airguns but once dialed in pellets can't compete in long range hunting or PRS/NRL22 style shooting.
I wasn't making any claim about more or less slug usage. Just stating that the initial fascination phase will be over, so the chatter will die down from the "everyone trying to figure out a new technology" phase.
 
I wasn't making any claim about more or less slug usage. Just stating that the initial fascination phase will be over, so the chatter will die down from the "everyone trying to figure out a new technology" phase.
That does make sense. It will slowly just become another normal topic for airguns.
 
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I think you'll see more slugs being shot in the future not less. In the wind and at long distance they are superior to pellets. They will never replace pellets and pellets will always have a place in airguns but once dialed in pellets can't compete in long range hunting or PRS/NRL22 style shooting.

Well I may need one of those barrels you got in mind for my Alpha and my Taipan ,,, just sayin
 
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I went to the range today and shot my RAW HM1000xLRT @ 100 yards, beautiful day, very light wind.

My 23 grain Zan slugs (.217) out performed my JSB 18.1g pellets. 3 of 5 Zan (5 shot) groups were under 1 MOA; none of the JSB's were.
The Zan slugs out performed my lighter NSA's at 50 yards, so I tried them at 100. The NSA slugs were so bad at 50 yards relative to pellets, I stopped shooting them.

Who knows, but the pellets seemed to be affected by the wind ... a little more. This is the first evidence I have of slugs outperforming. I will do more testing tomorrow - the Zan .218 slugs didn't shoot as well as the .217's at 50 yards, so I haven't tried them at 100.
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Fascination with slugs? Well, it CAN make our hobby even more fun.... Just sayin'....


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I live smack between the ocean and the mountains — two places where the winds love to howl like a pack of wolfes at fullmoon.
So, I really like the high BC of slugs. Wind drift can be cut in half (depending on the slugs and pellets that we compare, of course).


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If I have angled shots without a backstop (trees, etc.) I need about a mile of deserted land behind it if I want to shoot slugs — no matter where they return to earth, their high BC will give them enough impact energy to possibly do some damage. So, a pellet is the pill of choice for quarry high up.

But for quarry on the ground slugs deliver more energy on impact, which can contribute to a better kill.

However, the cows in some of my permissions wouldn't be fond of a ricochet hitting their hide. I already have had a pellet do that trick. 🤦🏻‍♂️ I immediately called the famer and offered to pay for any and all treatment — he declined. Nice guy.


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I feel a strange fascination with long range shooting:
Meaning... — the act of crunching and dialing a bunch of numbers (MV, BC, weight, range, angle, wind, pressure), pulling the trigger, and actually HITTING something seems like magic to me. 😊

But, the farther the shot the higher the BC needs to be, not just to reduce extreme wind drifts, but also to actually get the projectile to its destination... — typical pellets loose their velocity very quickly beyond 100y, and dialing 100moa goes beyond the scopes I can afford, even with adjustable rings at max.


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I have no experience with point (4), as my guns at this point are rather meek and mild.
However, one hears and watches things:
▪ Some slug models expand much better than some others. Such expansion would contribute to a better kill.
▪ Then we add the higher impact velocity due to their higher BC into the mix, which also aids in hollow point expansion.
▪ And it adds more power on impact.
Another factor for the mix are the super heavy slugs (no pellets come in those weights). They permit a greatly increased muzzle energy, while still staying subsonic. But the quarry would get a hole lot more energy delivered to their soon-to-be-dead body.

Possible results of this mix:
➔ At some point, I would expect that using this mix would produce kills that are rather spectacular, with red mist, puffs of feather clouds, quarry getting knocked backwards, and general disintegration.




All that to say: I see my fascination not so much as rejecting pellets from now on.... It's more of a both—and. Or, the best tool for the job. Or, as Vetmx said it in his unique way — I just need the challenge (and a way to burn my money the fun way).

⭐ These are great times to be an airgunner!

Matthias
 
@SpiralGroove,
Lots of people shoot the 18.1s, mostly b/c they're about the right weight for most 26-36fpe pellet guns. But they're really a pretty poor long range choice. I'm not a fan of slugs, but if I was stuck with choosing between slugs and 18.1grain pellets, I'd be shooting a lot of 17.5 and 20 grain NSA slugs. Cuz those two slugs are a MUCH better choice than the 18grain pellets, at least at that relative power level.

I've measured the 18.1s BC in a couple different settings and I've always been underwhelmed. Their BCs match the fact that they get pushed around in the wind a bunch. The lowly 10.34/.177 @20fpe doesn't do much worse in the wind at long range than a 30fpe 18.1/.22.
 
@SpiralGroove,
Lots of people shoot the 18.1s, mostly b/c they're about the right weight for most 26-36fpe pellet guns. But they're really a pretty poor long range choice. I'm not a fan of slugs, but if I was stuck with choosing between slugs and 18.1grain pellets, I'd be shooting a lot of 17.5 and 20 grain NSA slugs. Cuz those two slugs are a MUCH better choice than the 18grain pellets, at least at that relative power level.

I've measured the 18.1s BC in a couple different settings and I've always been underwhelmed. Their BCs match the fact that they get pushed around in the wind a bunch. The lowly 10.34/.177 @20fpe doesn't do much worse in the wind at long range than a 30fpe 18.1/.22.

So is it safe to say youd shoot the 25.39 rdms or the 15.89s over the 18.13s? im tempted to see how the 25.39s do out of my new Taipan Compact coming in
 
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I feel a strange fascination with long range shooting:
Meaning... — the act of crunching and dialing a bunch of numbers (MV, BC, weight, range, angle, wind, pressure), pulling the trigger, and actually HITTING something seems like magic to me. 😊

A little off-topic but you are experiencing the thrill mathematicians and engineers get every day. Basically you have expanded your brain function with external structures, and accomplished new things. It's the elemental thrill of technology.
 
why the fascination, pends on what youre up to i guess .. some people, maybe most people, are into striving for that max .. max distance, max performance .. its what we do lol .. we dont know why we do it sometimes .. my brother is into sitting all day at a bench with a powder burner dotting the i at a few hundred yards, never understood it lol .. me, i need to be able to take out that critter causing me grief nice and quiet-like .. i need to know my gun, know the trajectory, and know the limits in a highly variable real world situation .. slugs? nope .. could be set up for them, but im set up for the chrapest ammo i can get, way it is, slugs would throw it all out without a retune .. if i need more in a .22 i can grab a .25 .. if i need more than the .25 i can grab the .35 ... can i get an amen? lol ..
 
1. If you have a high power gun in say .25 caliber, like an AEA Challenger Pro or maybe a Seneca Eagle Claw (among many others), the gun is too powerful to shoot a JSB Heavy 33.95 grain pellet if you're shooting at max power. You may find better performance at peak power with a heavier slug. Slugs allow you to experiment with a wide range of weights and shapes.

2. Distance and penetration. What are you hoping to kill? Some of my guns will never shoot slugs. There's no point slugging up my Beeman Commander .22 -- I already know it can shoot them reasonably well, but not quite as well as pellets. That gun is only ever going to be used on small pests anyway, I don't need the extra power. Some of my other guns are more versatile and powerful. Among my newer purchases are an Umarex Guantlet 30 ... it shoots some slugs pretty darn accurately, but they tend to require a bit of a shove into the breech. So I will stick with pellets on that gun for the most part. My other newer purchase is an AEA Terminator in 30 caliber. I fully intend to find the perfect slug for this gun and use it as it's primary ammo. It's semi automatic, "tactical", and well, use your imagination.

3. Variety and availability. What's not fun about trying different ammo? Especially from some of these smaller shops that have all kinds of funky ammo with different shapes and features? Sometimes you can get more for less, and you don't have to worry about JSBs being sold out.

IMO it's something not to waste too much time with unless your small bore gun is overpowered or you have a larger bore rifle. But if you do, why not? Results may surprise you. When I had an AEA Challenger 357 it shot certain slugs even better than JSB 82 grain. If you're hunting medium game and up they are certainly more effective on impact.
 
So is it safe to say youd shoot the 25.39 rdms or the 15.89s over the 18.13s? im tempted to see how the 25.39s do out of my new Taipan Compact coming in
I've shot the 25.39 rdm's and they didn't shoot as well as the 18.13's at 100 yards? -> maybe I got a bad batch (they're FX's).

Using 18.13 JSB's as a reference as that's been my best pellet so far with the RAW. I've been able to get consistent 1.25" to 1.5" groups @ 100 YDS.
Maybe today was just a coincidence, but the Zan (.217 - 23g) is the best shooting slug I've found yet -> where increased BC does seem to matter.
The slugs when weighed and measured are very, very consistent .... so no need to sort - just lube & shoot.
 
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I also didn’t have any luck with the 25.39gr .22’s out of my Taipan. I decided to take the gun off slugs so while the gun was in the send it mode I figured I might as well try the heavy .22 pellet. Shot good out to 50yrds then started falling apart after that. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. I would rather adjust for wind with a super accurate pellet than a pretty accurate or semi consistent slug. On a windless day, when you can get your slugs to shoot as good or better than a pellet and with the same day to day consistency, only then have you taken a true step forward. Just beware, most of what you see or read online is only part of the story with slugs. Misses, horrible groups, or a guy with black silicone soaked fingers sitting at the bench scratching his head doesn’t get views, followers or thumbs ups. If your shooting or attempting to kill something starts at 100 yards, then yes, that’s when you definitely have to leave pellets behind.
 
I also didn’t have any luck with the 25.39gr .22’s out of my Taipan. I decided to take the gun off slugs so while the gun was in the send it mode I figured I might as well try the heavy .22 pellet. Shot good out to 50yrds then started falling apart after that. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. I would rather adjust for wind with a super accurate pellet than a pretty accurate or semi consistent slug. On a windless day, when you can get your slugs to shoot as good or better than a pellet and with the same day to day consistency, only then have you taken a true step forward. Just beware, most of what you see or read online is only part of the story with slugs. Misses, horrible groups, or a guy with black silicone soaked fingers sitting at the bench scratching his head doesn’t get views, followers or thumbs ups. If your shooting or attempting to kill something starts at 100 yards, then yes, that’s when you definitely have to leave pellets behind.
This group was from my Taipan Long, .25 shooting 33.95 jsb heavy at 900 fps at 115 yards

Full magazine , 5 to 8 mph inconsistent winds

This group was not shot by me but by my friend.

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I am hoping to try the .22 33.96 beasts in my alpha 🐺 as they have a similar profile to the RDMs , we will see how that goes.
 
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