What's the fascination with "slugs"?

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thomasair said:
qball….nice to say. When the factory slug guns and ammo can hang with pellets at 25-30y….they will have something good.

Mike
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I'm trying. Here's 26gr slugs at 950fps in .22 at 35 yards. Not the best I've seen with pellets but I'm getting close. Only tested 2 slugs and one speed so lots to try to match pellet accuracy. 5 shots well under a pinky nail.
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thomasair said:
qball….nice to say. When the factory slug guns and ammo can hang with pellets at 25-30y….they will have something good.

Mike
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Like you said it’s the whole system. I have shot all slugs over lapping each other some at 50 yards. Think I might have to try at 30 yards to see if I can get 5 shots to group with 50% overlap or more. And your 30 yard challenge!
 
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thomasair said:
Why don’t guys shoot consistently good groups at 100y with slugs? Because they aren’t that accurate compared to pellets.

Why don’t guys shoot consistently good groups at 100y with pellets? Because the aren’t that wind resistant compared to slugs.

Mike
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Right now I'm buying ammo which groups best at 100 yards irregardless if it because of reduced wind drift (in spite of in-accuracy).
Not going to worry about semantics, even though manufacturers should strive to improve slug accuracy.
 
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Franklink said:
I've had no personal experience shooting slugs faster than 45-50fpe but it feels like all these guys saying they're better can't be wrong so it must be up in the heavy slug faster than 45-50fpe territory where they shine. Cuz they sure as heck aren't better than high BC pellets at the power levels I've played with them in.

I think the count on barrels that I've tried them from the last time I tried to remember was 12 or 14. And that's choked, unchoked, polygonal, 12 land and groove, standard twist rate, slow twist rate.

Just a few days ago was the most recently failed attempt at getting slugs to shoot better than pellets at under 100 yards. 15 and 12.5 grain .177 slugs did not shoot better groups at 95 yards than the Monster Redesigns. I think the 15 grain slugs are listed at a BC of 0.07 and the MRDs are down around 0.05. The pellet groups in the same conditions were half the size of the groups from the slugs. And I've tried more fair comparisons took shooting slugs from the same caliber as pellets and comparing. There have been a few barrel/slug/speed combos where the slugs shot as well as the pellets, but never better.

And it's not just the .22 MRDS, the .20 Heavies also routinely outshoot all the sub 45-50fpe slugs that I've tried.
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I understand what you're expressing, I must say that not everyone will have the same results between the two. I have a 25 cal M-rod that shoots both slugs and pellets very well out past 150 yards. At that point, the slug just shine much brighter due to the low BC of the pellet. For hunting I only carry slugs because I never know how far out the target will pop up, until it does. For paper targets, it pellets because I know that my target isn't going to be further than a 100 yards. With that said, my M-rod is well tuned, polished barrel, custom transfer port, custom free floating hammer, and regulated with a very tight shoot string. With the adjustable reg, it ranges from 60 to 100+ fpe.
 
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SpiralGroove said:
Right now I'm buying ammo which groups best at 100 yards irregardless if it because of reduced wind drift (in spite of in-accuracy).
Not going to worry about semantics, even though manufacturers should strive to improve slug accuracy.
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Hello SpiralGroove, Have you gauged a slug or pellet to find out what size your barrel is? Think of them as pellets, some shot better because the fit better. I have several sized diameter slugs for different rifles. In the 25 cal, I have some rifles that are like lasers with a .253 diameter slug and others are lasers with the .250 slug, but none are lasers with all slugs. If you're only shooting out to a 100 yards, I would just use heavy pellets. Pellets out to 100 and slugs past that, but that's just me.
 
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thammer said:
I think you'll see more slugs being shot in the future not less. In the wind and at long distance they are superior to pellets. They will never replace pellets and pellets will always have a place in airguns but once dialed in pellets can't compete in long range hunting or PRS/NRL22 style shooting.
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Slugs aren't a new fad, they've been around longer that most of us can remember. The difference now is that more slugs styles and weights area readily available. "Thammer" is right, you will see more shooters trying slugs and more slug designs coming out.
 
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bamavet55 said:
Oh no, sir.
I am a big fan of Zan slugs because they outperform my JSB pellets at distances of 30 yards, 50 yards, 100 yards and 125 yards routinely. I have not shot the Zan slugs at any greater distance than 125 yards due to the lack of facilities.

I was once quite impressed with my FX Impacts whenever I was lucky enough to produce the occasional MOA group at 100 yards. No more! Shooting Zan slugs from my Impacts in .22 cal, .25 cal and .30 cal, I'm getting MOA and sub-MOA 5 shot groups more than half the time when the wind is not really strong.
Have you tried the Zan slugs?
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Bamavet55, I AGREE 100%, Zans 44gr HPBT 25 cal slug in M-rod is a Tack Driving Laser out past 200 yards. I've ran several different weights and minor scope adjustments its on target. Major Fan
 
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Yeah guys not trying (heatedly) to argue for slugs as I hadn't found a slug that could beat pellets at 100 yards until last week. Again, this is with relatively limited groups of 23 grain Zan (.217) slugs. Now at 50 yards, slugs still don't compare in my limited group comparisons with my .22 cal. RAW.

Remember too, I still haven't tried anything heavier than 25.4 RD at 100 yards - so not shooting heavy pellets yet.

Ultimately, I would have to side with Mike N. in this discussion as he pretty much has a PHD. in shooting airguns, however, in my limited trials with moderate shooting skills and bad eyes, slugs are starting to win at 100 yards. I can now say, "I'm shooting 1 MOA (5 shot) groups with my RAW and Jazzed"!
Now this also could be purely luck or just a coincidence, but I don't care.
 
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