I never saw the point in people showing their best groups ever, random stuff happens, I actually own a POS rifle that is a true 4+++ moa waste of money that the manufacturer said was in spec and would not fix it(an expensive browning), I fired one 3 round magazine through it that was just about 1" even, sh_t happens, never did again with that rifle or even under 3.5", just a random occurence. I'm more interested in what is the worst that can be expected with a rifle/ammo combination no excuses, both pcp and powder burners. At 100 yards, I only own two rifles that are true sub MOA, and a handful that are real close. On my accurate powder burners, my definition of worse expected is a 20 shot group fired 2 at a time over weeks or months and vastly different temperatures, cold bore shot and follow up. My custom Gre'Tan with factory nosler partition passed that test from 0F (freezer all night with ammo) and 40-90F naturally with a 0.6" group in my hands, my 7mag Sako passed barely at .09x". Nothing else I own that is interestingly accurate can do sub MOA in real life in my hands, I'd be willing to bet some real benchrest shooters I know could move some of my other ones to sub moa, but not in my hands and that is the only thing that matters. Doing 9 out of 10 5 shot groups sub MOA isn't a sub MOA rifle or other weapon, unfortunately that is not what people report, especially on the internet. My uragan compact .22 comes close, but weather differences of 30+degrees F kill it at 50 yards it truly cannot be counted on to be under .5", real close, but not there. Honestly, just a puff of wind when it is calm at the wrong time will kill it every time in one sitting. 90% of my use is pick up weapon, shoot 1 round and kill something, occasionally more than one round and kill more than one something, where I live that is almost a weekly occrurence. Real life accuracy is the only thing that matters to me.