Which compressor and why?

[Coldair]

AND!

For those folks on the GO...

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12V-portable-pcp-air-compressor/32953670947.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.81.51726159Cw0iw6&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_10130_10890_5730315_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10696_453_10084_454_10083_10618_5729215_10307_537_536_10059_10884_10887_100031_321_322_10103-10890,searchweb201603_51,ppcSwitch_0_ppcChannel&algo_expid=c73b01a3-9f51-480e-86fd-1145cd43bf2c-15&algo_pvid=c73b01a3-9f51-480e-86fd-1145cd43bf2c

Be advised this is a 12V DC only set up for the price which would probably reside in your car, truck, van, or SUV.

You may be able to buy the adapter to plug it into the wall of your house for $59.99 from Indiana Airguns if they are compatible so $374.00 for everything (but you pay shipping from Indiana Airguns for that extra adapter wouldn't see it costing more than $14.00 Priority Mail Medium Flat Rate Box including insurance) so $388.00 for everything to your door.

Can we say Hatsan Spark? $499.99 from Midway only 12V no house adapter included. $573.99 to your door for everything like above.

Can we say Benjamin Traveller? Everything is included. Since the AGNATION code does not work at the Crosman website, they sell theirs INCLUDING the 110v adaptor for $549.99. Free shipping Fridays to your door.

Can we say Air Venturi Nomad? Everything is included but no coupon discount for this item from PA so $549.99 probably with free shipping but they are out of stock.

Sorry folks this comparison is not as eye openning as the first Aliexpress examples.

I wouldn't mind buying the CROSMAN Benjamin Traveler since everything is included if the 25% AGNATION actually worked for that one... $434.99 To you door shipped Friday if that were the case and I would be happy to pay the extra $47.00 to Crosman.com for it to get their warranty for it.


CA

 

[Cherokee140]

I don't see it as a "snobby, elitist attitude" at all. Simply people discussing pros and cons. I have a Yong Heng that is still working fine. I have a Tuxing that is probably 6 months older and which has now failed. While it worked it was fine. Will the YH fail? Who knows but it seems from what I have read that the failure rate for the YH/Tuxing/clone compressors is higher than for AirVenturi/HatsanLightning compressors which is higher than for dive quality compressors. All relative. Buy what you want. But accusing those with a different opinion of snobby elitism seems off the mark.



Now that I have decided to continue shooting PCP air guns I will buy a dive quality compressor. Not snobby, not elitist, just logical to me. I plan to buy a gasoline powered compressor. Makes the most sense for me. Others have stated clearly that they are only interested in electrical powered versions, some noting 220 is the best way to go and others believing 110 is best for them. Your logic may differ but everyone's final solution will probably be best for them.

Sorry but no, it is snobby and elitist. making comments like I need to learn repair skills, and cheap chinese are down talking pure and simple.

Discussing pros and cons, are....well parts are available here and there and generally take 2 days to get here, parts for this one is 2 weeks away, the tubes are out near the bleed valve, and that will burn and blister you if you touch it, bad placement. But you see so many of the people that talk down on a given product have ZERO personal experience with it, they all say it died in a week, or would not work....yea not going to buy it. You see if you spend so much more on a product that works "just as well" as one that cost really 10x less, well that is something that does not sit well with many people.

If you say I want to buy this or that to support this or that company, fine, more power to you, and I do that as well....but to tear down another product just to make yourself FEEL good about wasting money....well you are a shallow person.



As to records on how it is running, guess I need to scan up my log book and post it on a few of these air gun forums. Every fill, time, tank, start-end pressure, and time ran I have in a note book. And I guess I need to scan the pages as if I put them in text on an excel sheet or something more of these doubting Thomas people will not believe it has ran like it has....so scanning the pages, or taking photos of the pages will be what I do.



Another person asked what is the markup.....Ok lets go here.

I have said this before, China will make anything you want to any quality you want. Also don't confuse made in, and assembled in, there is a difference.

 

[Cherokee140]

AND!

For those folks on the GO...

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12V-portable-pcp-air-compressor/32953670947.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.81.51726159Cw0iw6&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_10130_10890_5730315_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10696_453_10084_454_10083_10618_5729215_10307_537_536_10059_10884_10887_100031_321_322_10103-10890,searchweb201603_51,ppcSwitch_0_ppcChannel&algo_expid=c73b01a3-9f51-480e-86fd-1145cd43bf2c-15&algo_pvid=c73b01a3-9f51-480e-86fd-1145cd43bf2c

Be advised this is a 12V DC only set up for the price which would probably reside in your car, truck, van, or SUV.

You may be able to buy the adapter to plug it into the wall of your house for $59.99 from Indiana Airguns if they are compatible so $374.00 for everything (but you pay shipping from Indiana Airguns for that extra adapter wouldn't see it costing more than $14.00 Priority Mail Medium Flat Rate Box including insurance) so $388.00 for everything to your door.

Can we say Hatsan Spark? $499.99 from Midway only 12V no house adapter included. $573.99 to your door for everything like above.

Can we say Benjamin Traveller? Everything is included. Since the AGNATION code does not work at the Crosman website, they sell theirs INCLUDING the 110v adaptor for $549.99. Free shipping Fridays to your door.

Can we say Air Venturi Nomad? Everything is included but no coupon discount for this item from PA so $549.99 probably with free shipping but they are out of stock.

Sorry folks this comparison is not as eye openning as the first Aliexpress examples.

I wouldn't mind buying the CROSMAN Benjamin Traveler since everything is included if the 25% AGNATION actually worked for that one... $434.99 To you door shipped Friday if that were the case and I would be happy to pay the extra $47.00 to Crosman.com for it to get their warranty for it.


CA

Yes...and look at them vs the Aliexpress, I would love for someone to buy both and open them up.

 

[bandg]

Cherokee140 

I still will not agree with you on the snobby/elistist bit but you have every right to your opinion. Many have noted failures of the Yong Heng type compressors. Many have also noted that those same compressors work fine for them. Others have noted failures with Hatsan Lightning/Air Venturi level compressors and others love them. Failures of Omega type compressors have been noted and still others love them also. My contention is very simple-there is a failure rate for the lowest cost compressors and a failure rate for the highest cost compressors. I believe it will ultimately be realized that the failure rate of the lowest cost compressors is MUCH HIGHER than that of the highest cost compressors with failure rate PROBABLY decreasing with cost. No hard data on that, just my belief. Thus, I can understand buying something for more money if you believe it will work better for longer or just don't want to deal with water containers/hoses/ice or whatever is related to it's operation. It has absolutely nothing to do with snobbery or elitism in my opinion.

Any person stating you need to work on your repair skills or knowledge is also wrong. None of us on this or any other internet board knows anything about the people to whom we are responding or debating. No one knows another persons skill or knowledge level, but only know that their opinion may agree or may be different. Keep posting your opinion, it is as valid as any other persons opinion. And mine is just as valid as yours.

 

[Cherokee140]

Cherokee140 

I still will not agree with you on the snobby/elistist bit but you have every right to your opinion. Many have noted failures of the Yong Heng type compressors. Many have also noted that those same compressors work fine for them. Others have noted failures with Hatsan Lightning/Air Venturi level compressors and others love them. Failures of Omega type compressors have been noted and still others love them also. My contention is very simple-there is a failure rate for the lowest cost compressors and a failure rate for the highest cost compressors. I believe it will ultimately be realized that the failure rate of the lowest cost compressors is MUCH HIGHER than that of the highest cost compressors with failure rate PROBABLY decreasing with cost. No hard data on that, just my belief. Thus, I can understand buying something for more money if you believe it will work better for longer or just don't want to deal with water containers/hoses/ice or whatever is related to it's operation. It has absolutely nothing to do with snobbery or elitism in my opinion.

Any person stating you need to work on your repair skills or knowledge is also wrong. None of us on this or any other internet board knows anything about the people to whom we are responding or debating. No one knows another persons skill or knowledge level, but only know that their opinion may agree or may be different. Keep posting your opinion, it is as valid as any other persons opinion. And mine is just as valid as yours.

Agree....we can both agree on our topics, if we all did the same thing the world would be a very dull place....to coin a phrase. I like different things, and I like new things, and only a foolish man would say I never changed my mind on anything. Some people I do not agree with 99% of the time...I do 1% and you know based on that 1% I bought a product that I never thought I would.....and again it lead me to start thinking....well cherokee lets research more on that. If not for that 1% that made me go....Hmmmm I would have a few hundred extra in my pocket now....perhaps I don't like that guy now that I think about it....made me spend money....yea it was all his fault.



What gets my hackles up quicker then anything (past unethical hunting) is talking down something you clearly have zero personal experience with....for the only reason your mind is made up that you are not going to do X. If you don't want to buy X fine more power to you, but that does not mean you need to call X cheap junk, require this or that, will not do this or that. This pisses me off to no extent.



Everything built by man is going to have failures....the trick of it is knowing where that failure point is, I was looking at FX for a while, but looking at this very forum (it seems to be very FX heavy) I saw thread after thread with leaks, rebuilds, problems that just kept coming up....over and over. So I crossed that off the list, Now looking at some other folks.

I also see where you are coming from on the repair....however I do have a habit of taking things at face value at first....I have not been posting long here, so I don't know the wankers from the real guys, only way to tell that is over several posts as you get to "know" posters. From my little exposure the person that said X company suggests you mail this back for service....well I take that at face value...if the company says it is past many basic hobby person skill set, then I will go with that.



We will just have to see, and really we will likely never know what the failure rates are on the cheapo compressors, as many will just say eh its dead I got X hours out of it so one of two things....I learned my lesson and will buy a $4000 unit next time, or hay this little thing really did the job....not bad for under 300 bills....yea worth it. But we really don't know, we are more likely to know failures on the spendy stuff as it is human nature to bitch when your high priced toy goes to hell. And likely that is the reason for so many FX posts on this forum, by looking at just the my ___ is leaking, or not doing what I want it to do, it would be easy to say a Crosman makes more reliable PCP then FX does....how many leaking maximus posts have you seen here.....but then there is fortitude and it got a rocky start to say the least.

 

[sgergen]

On the subject of repair...4500 PSI is nothing to be trifled with. I choose to tread very carefully.

Can we please get back on the topic of "Which compressor and why?" Thanks!

Scott

 

[Cherokee140]

On the subject of repair...4500 PSI is nothing to be trifled with. I choose to tread very carefully.

Can we please get back on the topic of "Which compressor and why?" Thanks!

Scott

I think by now you have seen about every voice on this, but really what it comes down to is YOU. Only you know you and what you are going to be happy with. If nothing but the best will do then save your pennies and go for it, If you go well lets experiment, then go for it.

The one thing I would love to see is real world docs on each machine. Warts and all. No product is perfect, it is only with truth and real experience that we can form our own decisions.

Hats off the the guys that go....well no one has done this before lets see what happens.

And yea that pressure is nothing to sneeze at....it is a bomb not a balloon. Reminds me of that 22plinkster video.

 

[Nappyman]

My take, to each his own::

I went with the Coltri gas operated version all for the following reasons:

1. I have little patience waiting for a fill

2. Just about every high dollar item I buy is based on resale value 

3. It was on sale

4. The most important reason I spent $2900 out the door is the fact nuvair factory is 6min from my house

YES it has failed , 3 times in the last 3 years:

1st fail : one of the pistons went bad after only three months. There solution, gave me a brand new updated model out the box! (My first was brand new yet it had been sitting around unboxed for a year or more which I noticed but being 6 min away did not concern me to much) I could have waited a day or so for them to asymble one and upgrade/add additional safety features the only difference between Coltri and Daystate by the way. My greed/lack of patients

2. Two years later: 330 bar pop off valve leaked, there solution took off the bad one put on new one and set it to 2850psi where I wanted no questions asked. By the way, basic fuction of compressor still worked by just bypassing 

3. Just last week the check valve on output line failed. This happend on a weekend, solution removed check valve from fill nipple and fill up my tanks no problem. Monday I was on a boat heading offshore for work so didn’t get it replaced a $35 dollar part ( I’m going on about 2-1/2+ years after purchess , so my get out of jail card is expired I do believe if I hadn’t asked what the price was for the check valve he might have said just bring the old one in but fare is fare

would I have got something different now 2-1/2 years later NOPE a 88 great white from 3000psi to 4850psi in 7 min my lack of patients is a no brainer. 

 

[bandg]

My take, to each his own::

I went with the Coltri gas operated version all for the following reasons:

1. I have little patience waiting for a fill

2. Just about every high dollar item I buy is based on resale value 

3. It was on sale

4. The most important reason I spent $2900 out the door is the fact nuvair factory is 6min from my house

YES it has failed , 3 times in the last 3 years:

1st fail : one of the pistons went bad after only three months. There solution, gave me a brand new updated model out the box! (My first was brand new yet it had been sitting around unboxed for a year or more which I noticed but being 6 min away did not concern me to much) I could have waited a day or so for them to asymble one and upgrade/add additional safety features the only difference between Coltri and Daystate by the way. My greed/lack of patients

2. Two years later: 330 bar pop off valve leaked, there solution took off the bad one put on new one and set it to 2850psi where I wanted no questions asked. By the way, basic fuction of compressor still worked by just bypassing 

3. Just last week the check valve on output line failed. This happend on a weekend, solution removed check valve from fill nipple and fill up my tanks no problem. Monday I was on a boat heading offshore for work so didn’t get it replaced a $35 dollar part ( I’m going on about 2-1/2+ years after purchess , so my get out of jail card is expired

I do believe if I hadn’t asked what the price was for the check valve he might have said just bring the old one in but fare is fare

would I have got something different now 2-1/2 years later NOPE a 88 great white from 3000psi to 4850psi in 7 min my lack of patients is a no brainer. 

Sounds like you received more than excellent service from that company. I've looked at their products myself and am leaning toward a purchase from Nuvair. Doesn't the Nuvair have better filtration than the Daystate such as you would buy from AOA? My understanding was that the Nuvair compressor was designed for breathable air but maybe that is an add on option even for Nuvair?

 

[remnar]

Excellent information. We are using our Coltri MCH-6 for both breathable air and for air in our air rifles/ air pistols. We could not be more pleased.