N/A Who got there Barra 250z in yet....???

[markhooper]

I just got a 25 cal 250Z . The bolt binds up using both the magazines. It will allow bolt to push pellet into barrel but can't push bolt all the way in so I can drop handle and shoot. It binds so bad I have to wrap a rope around the bolt handle close to the bolt body and forcefully yank on bolt to retract it. I'm thinking it is binding on the metal side of magazine where pellet enters barrel. I would hone that hole a few thousands if I could find out how to disassemble/reassemble the magazine. Loads fine with the single shot adapter.

should be a screw that you remove to disassemble the magazine.. so what was the problem and solution? did you somehow get a 22 magazine with your 25 caliber gun?
I was sharing videos back and forth with a friend and there's one comparing the ma1 I think to the Barra.. not really even the same kind of gun.. anyway I pointed out to my friend that they were hitting the bolt pretty hard to close and then it appeared like it was hard to cock.. even so much that towards the end he was using his thumb for leverage.. good seeing it in action but the reviewer never mentioned having to slap the bolt closed or having a hard time cocking it but you could definitely see it on the video..
hopefully Barra will work it all out..I think they will, it's just barely been out and some companies try to rush things out..
it will be interesting to see if, or when the JTS bolt similar to this one and the FX DRS.. I've been watching for it, not that I plan on getting one but hey it's different and interesting to see..
Mark

 

[PumaCarl]

should be a screw that you remove to disassemble the magazine.. so what was the problem and solution? did you somehow get a 22 magazine with your 25 caliber gun?
I was sharing videos back and forth with a friend and there's one comparing the ma1 I think to the Barra.. not really even the same kind of gun.. anyway I pointed out to my friend that they were hitting the bolt pretty hard to close and then it appeared like it was hard to cock.. even so much that towards the end he was using his thumb for leverage.. good seeing it in action but the reviewer never mentioned having to slap the bolt closed or having a hard time cocking it but you could definitely see it on the video..
hopefully Barra will work it all out..I think they will, it's just barely been out and some companies try to rush things out..
it will be interesting to see if, or when the JTS bolt similar to this one and the FX DRS.. I've been watching for it, not that I plan on getting one but hey it's different and interesting to see..
Mark

I watched that video you are talking about, and noticed him having the same problem. Unbelievable to me that he was putting up with that, but his 250z was shooting accurately, and that is a good reason not to touch it. I own a Macavity too, that I have worked on, and unless someone really wanted to use the front pic rail with a bipod, because the flex is terrible, I would recommend it over the 250z, generally speaking. The 250z is a specialized kind of gun, with some very interesting features and capabilities, that I will be taking advantage of, and I will probably end up using it more, but it won't be for everyone, especially newbies. It is really awesome, the variety of airguns that we have now. Figure out your use and there is an Airgun to fit it.

 

[markhooper]

I watched that video you are talking about, and noticed him having the same problem. Unbelievable to me that he was putting up with that, but his 250z was shooting accurately, and that is a good reason not to touch it. I own a Macavity too, that I have worked on, and unless someone really wanted to use the front pic rail with a bipod, because the flex is terrible, I would recommend it over the 250z, generally speaking. The 250z is a specialized kind of gun, with some very interesting features and capabilities, that I will be taking advantage of, and I will probably end up using it more, but it won't be for everyone, especially newbies. It is really awesome, the variety of airguns that we have now. Figure out your use and there is an Airgun to fit it.

I totally agree, what was the issue with yours? was the magazine hope too small?
I've been shooting my Condor SS 22 and really enjoying it..
I will have to say that most of the new PCP rifles are missing a major component that I want and not even a option to put one on.. open sights!!
I'd probably have a lot more interest in the Barra if they just even have it as a option.. not that long ago guns came with open sights and either a dovetail or picayinny rail so it was for everyone.. I think I might have found a small scope/ sight that I like but I really like the old fashioned iron sights.. wish I could get a set for my Condor SS.. I know airforce offers a peep sights for it but I prefer rear notch sight..
mark

 

[xtratoy]

should be a screw that you remove to disassemble the magazine.. so what was the problem and solution? did you somehow get a 22 magazine with your 25 caliber gun?
I was sharing videos back and forth with a friend and there's one comparing the ma1 I think to the Barra.. not really even the same kind of gun.. anyway I pointed out to my friend that they were hitting the bolt pretty hard to close and then it appeared like it was hard to cock.. even so much that towards the end he was using his thumb for leverage.. good seeing it in action but the reviewer never mentioned having to slap the bolt closed or having a hard time cocking it but you could definitely see it on the video..
hopefully Barra will work it all out..I think they will, it's just barely been out and some companies try to rush things out..
it will be interesting to see if, or when the JTS bolt similar to this one and the FX DRS.. I've been watching for it, not that I plan on getting one but hey it's different and interesting to see..
Mark

I know there is a screw holding the magazine together. I would be more confident taking it apart if there were some reassembly instructions. Things with springs can be tricky to reassemble if they just go spring on disassembly. BARRA STILL HASN'T RESPONDED TO MY INQUIRY!! Very poor customer service, actually non-existant at this point.

 

[xtratoy]

It almost sounds like they gave you a .22 magazine instead of a .25. Please post what the problem turns out to be.

I received mine and it had some problems, rather bad ones, and Barra wanted me to just return it, but I just decided to fix it myself. I don't want to re-write everything over here but the HAM website has two threads going in the Barra forum. I have already mounted an Arca Swiss rail in front of the trigger and a pic rail, very solidly, on the fore end.

I won't openly discuss the trigger assembly because lawyers exist, but once you figure out what the problem is, it is an excellent trigger system. I think that is going to be the sore point for most new owners, because they really lawyered it up. If you don't want to learn about triggers and safeties, how to adjust them, how to look at them and determine that they are safe and operating within spec, and which components are made to a ridiculous specification, such that a good setting is impossible (like the lawyer spring on the Marauder as an example) than a lot of the low budget guns will not be for you. That's just my opinion on it, but it does seem to be what most people are not happy with.

Trigger isn't problem for me. It just needs to load from magazine and have the bolt operate correctly.

 

[PumaCarl]

Trigger isn't problem for me. It just needs to load from magazine and have the bolt operate correctly.

That's great to hear, but it does have me wondering how some of these guns have such different problems. And to be more precise, the trigger in mine isn't the actual problem, it was the safety.

Since you stated that your gun does load fine with the single shot adapter, than the problem is solely the magazine. People have been successfully shooting their .25 250z's with magazine's so that means the problem is just your magazine's, and to have two with the same defect is quite uncommon. That's why I think your magazine's are actually for a different caliber and are perhaps mismarked. The amount of force that you are saying that they require is quite unheard of.

 

[PumaCarl]

I totally agree, what was the issue with yours? was the magazine hope too small?


No, my magazine's work fine. My stock was broke, gun wouldn't cock/ trigger wouldn't set. I've fixed it and doing performance mods on it now.

If enough people call for open sights, somebody will make them. The guns will look like 10m target guns though, you need a heavy fixed barrel to attach sight to.

 

[xtratoy]

That's great to hear, but it does have me wondering how some of these guns have such different problems. And to be more precise, the trigger in mine isn't the actual problem, it was the safety.

Since you stated that your gun does load fine with the single shot adapter, than the problem is solely the magazine. People have been successfully shooting their .25 250z's with magazine's so that means the problem is just your magazine's, and to have two with the same defect is quite uncommon. That's why I think your magazine's are actually for a different caliber and are perhaps mismarked. The amount of force that you are saying that they require is quite unheard of.

I found that if you adjust to much first stage pull out of the trigger you can't engage the safety. I don't understand why they ship the gun with so many O-Rings but no schematic of assembly. With Trigger adjusted to 1 pound very nice short trigger pull but no safety. Had to go back to a long trigger pull for engagement of safety. I'm sure that can be remedied, but for now wanting Barra to address the not loading through magazine issue. It is now day 4 with no response from Barra.

 

[xtratoy]

That's great to hear, but it does have me wondering how some of these guns have such different problems. And to be more precise, the trigger in mine isn't the actual problem, it was the safety.

Since you stated that your gun does load fine with the single shot adapter, than the problem is solely the magazine. People have been successfully shooting their .25 250z's with magazine's so that means the problem is just your magazine's, and to have two with the same defect is quite uncommon. That's why I think your magazine's are actually for a different caliber and are perhaps mismarked. The amount of force that you are saying that they require is quite unheard of.

The plunger tip of the bolt measures 260". A .260" drill bit will fit through the magazine front to rear. I believe it is a misalignment issue with the magazine. When the bolt is ran forward until it binds the magazine gets locks into place and there is zero movement of the magazine. There should be at least a few thousandths of wiggle room for smooth operation. I have sent several emails to Barra over past 4 days and have called 60 + times to no avail or assistance.

 

[xtratoy]

It almost sounds like they gave you a .22 magazine instead of a .25. Please post what the problem turns out to be.

I received mine and it had some problems, rather bad ones, and Barra wanted me to just return it, but I just decided to fix it myself. I don't want to re-write everything over here but the HAM website has two threads going in the Barra forum. I have already mounted an Arca Swiss rail in front of the trigger and a pic rail, very solidly, on the fore end.

I won't openly discuss the trigger assembly because lawyers exist, but once you figure out what the problem is, it is an excellent trigger system. I think that is going to be the sore point for most new owners, because they really lawyered it up. If you don't want to learn about triggers and safeties, how to adjust them, how to look at them and determine that they are safe and operating within spec, and which components are made to a ridiculous specification, such that a good setting is impossible (like the lawyer spring on the Marauder as an example) than a lot of the low budget guns will not be for you. That's just my opinion on it, but it does seem to be what most people are not happy with.

Can the rifle assembly be lifted out of the stock by removing the on screw in the forearm? How does the crossbolt safty come into play when removing the action?

 

[PumaCarl]

Can the rifle assembly be lifted out of the stock by removing the on screw in the forearm? How does the crossbolt safty come into play when removing the action?

You have to remove the safety to take the action out of the stock. Put a flat head screwdriver on each side of the safety and unscrew it and pull the parts out from each side. Then take a 3mm allen and undue the screw in front of the trigger guard and the screw in front of the fill port, and the action will lift out. So it takes three things to be removed, safety and two screws.

Barra has videos on their youtube channel for the basic stuff.

 

[markhooper]

If enough people call for open sights, somebody will make them. The guns will look like 10m target guns though, you need a heavy fixed barrel to attach sight to.

will someone help me call for at least a option for open sights or am I the only person who wants them on all my guns?
how do we go about it.. myself so far I just don't buy it if it's not a option..I did try the Condor with a scope and it's ok.. but if love to have like a Williams rear notch sight micrometer adjust and a front post..I don't care for peep sights.. but that's just me
Mark

 

[markhooper]

I know there is a screw holding the magazine together. I would be more confident taking it apart if there were some reassembly instructions. Things with springs can be tricky to reassemble if they just go spring on disassembly. BARRA STILL HASN'T RESPONDED TO MY INQUIRY!! Very poor customer service, actually non-existant at this point.

ok..I'd assume it is just like the other magazine from the pictures.. you remove the screw in the center and then slowly slide it to the side.. and then hold the center spring loaded piece with your finger.. the stop side I just raised up enough to clear the stops and then slowly turn it until there's no spring pressure and lift it off.. it's easy to reassemble in reverse order..
to be clear it's not spring pressure up, but it's a coil spring turning the magazine.. usually a tab in the magazine stop and a very tiny holes in the magazine for the opposite side.. just keep track of how many turns when you disassemble it.. if you wind it too loose it won't advance properly.. too tight and it will damage pellets
Mark

 

[PumaCarl]

will someone help me call for at least a option for open sights or am I the only person who wants them on all my guns?
how do we go about it.. myself so far I just don't buy it if it's not a option..I did try the Condor with a scope and it's ok.. but if love to have like a Williams rear notch sight micrometer adjust and a front post..I don't care for peep sights.. but that's just me
Mark

Honestly, these guns are too accurate for iron sights and "my" targets too small at too great of a distance. Yeah, a charging lion, at close range, iron sights; a chipmunk, at 90y, a scope. And really, a good dot sight, I think, is better than iron sights any day, for a lot of reasons, but that is just my opinion on it. Plus, you need some seriously good vision to really use iron sights well, and I don't have that anymore either.

 

[xtratoy]

Just got replacement magazines today. Same issue, this time the bolt would bind before the pellet cleared the magazine. I got the bolt retracted but now the pellet is partially in the magazine and in the barrel and now I can't remove the magazine. The problem must be an out of spec rifle. Now waiting to see what Barra will do about it.

 

[xtratoy]

Just got replacement magazines today. Same issue, this time the bolt would bind before the pellet cleared the magazine. I got the bolt retracted but now the pellet is partially in the magazine and in the barrel and now I can't remove the magazine. The problem must be an out of spec rifle. Now waiting to see what Barra will do about it.

Barra finally sent out a RMA to return rifle and I received a new one that feeds pellets without binding in the magazine. When I registered it they told me to write an honest review and get a tin of pellets. I wrote an honest review of my experience and they said it didn't meet there parameters. Go figure, too cheap to send out what they offered.