HW/Weihrauch Who says springers arent accurate?
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my only suggestion is to put a little silicone oil on the breech Oring to keep it soft. I wash and lube my pellets and after 500 rounds my barrel is still pretty clean if I run a patch through.
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Mount a scope with a reasonable sized objective lens low on the barrel to get the proper cheek weld. Use a cheekpiece if it's too high.
Add or subtract length of pull until it's perfect. Add grip dimension until your finger lays on the trigger in the right spot. Ergonomics of the gun is the foundation of good form. Cheek weld, length of pull, grip dimension, and a spot under the forearm to locate your offhand.
Develop a "checklist" when mounting the rifle. Foot position, butt contact, offhand hold, cheek weld, trigger position, hold tightness, back tension.... just as if you were shooting a bow. It's basically the same thing.
Practice every element of your checklist until it becomes habit. Shoot a LOT. Add elements to the checklist as needed. Go back to basics often and refine your hold and form.
It's all about consistency. It matters less how you do it than doing it the same each time. Accurate shooting is habit. It takes practice with a plan. Focus on each element one at a time until they all come together for the shot.
Absolutely no difference than shooting a compound bow accurately (and for the same reasons). You just adapt those techniques to a rifle.
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I'm finding lately that it all comes down to the trigger release for me. I say release because I try not to really pull. If I concentrate on feeling like I'm pulling the trigger straight back into my thumb while thinking about both of them pointing at the x then I can still it almost every time. Has this practice card the other day. My best ever.
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Trigger release on a springer is a bit of witchcraft. Especially on a rifle that jumps forward a lot.
Some room behind your second stage helps. I find it easy to "hook" the shot with my trigger finger and torque the gun a bit on a short throw trigger.
I tend to pull between my shoulder and the trigger instead of using my fingers and hand to pull. Like bump firing an AR only in reverse. The gun pushes away from your finger and then returns rather than simply jumping forward until your finger is against the trigger stop.
90% of my thrown shots these days are because of "hooking" the trigger during recoil. The rifles with some room behind the second stage are much less prone to this.
The HW triggers break wonderfully. But they come to the end of travel quick. I'm often up against the stop after firing. You really have to focus on that trigger pull or you will "hook" the rifle with your trigger finger when it goes off and torque the shot a little.
Some room behind your second stage helps. I find it easy to "hook" the shot with my trigger finger and torque the gun a bit on a short throw trigger.
I tend to pull between my shoulder and the trigger instead of using my fingers and hand to pull. Like bump firing an AR only in reverse. The gun pushes away from your finger and then returns rather than simply jumping forward until your finger is against the trigger stop.
90% of my thrown shots these days are because of "hooking" the trigger during recoil. The rifles with some room behind the second stage are much less prone to this.
The HW triggers break wonderfully. But they come to the end of travel quick. I'm often up against the stop after firing. You really have to focus on that trigger pull or you will "hook" the rifle with your trigger finger when it goes off and torque the shot a little.
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That is simply awesome. I'm still striving for these results from my 95. This gives me a goal brother!!
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Same here. I've tried many different trigger pull methods with my springers. I seem to have the best results when I release the shot while still exhaling barely before I run out of breath. It seems to help me from pulling the shot right of the aim point. And that is a excellent target you shot.
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There is something about that desperate struggle at breaths end.
I think you absorb the shot better. Your lungs are deflated and you are like an under inflated basketball. It's dead and straight and your eye never comes off the target.
Pumped up tight with a full breath and a closed airway you have more heartbeat error. The gun bounces forward into your off hand and trigger finger. I often loose eye contact. I react more to the shot physically. I'm an overinflated basketball on a concrete floor.
Offhand I shoot holding my breath but at a half lung. And I hold my airway open. I often inhale or exhale a bit as I'm timing a pass. Standing you absorb that recoil completely differently. It's not the same animal as sitting behind a rested gun. So I'm not sure the inflated basketball analogy applies.
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I'm shooting from a rest so there's no shoulder contact for me. The bags have the slippery fabric so the gun just slides back with little resistance. I'm shooting thumb up with only the thumb and a bit of the pad of the thumb touching the stock. To avoid pulling the trigger to the side I've done a lot of shooting with my index finger curled so only the tip of the finger touches the trigger. It works really well but requires an awkward position for the thumb. I've begun using a more conventional trigger pull but I really focus on not putting any lateral pressure on the trigger. Takes great care but when I do it right the gun is phenomenal. It feels as if I could shoot an X on every shot. So much fun.
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Thanks for the kind words.
That was a truly rare pattern. Not something I could duplicate at will. Most of my long strings don't look like that to be sure. The gun will do it. But I generally toss 4-5 outside the group on a long string like that.
Especially with the 95. That rifle is a finicky bitch. The slightest error just magnifies. But when the stars align they all land mighty close together.
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You are getting great results off the bag. I can't shoot an airgun off a bag. I've tried and tried. Some rifles I can shoot better than others but none are great. My D34 will keep them all inside a 3/4" circle from a bag. But that's as good as it gets.
The HW97 is the worst. Mine hates the bags. I tried everything. Every bag position. Different holds. Slippery plastic. Silicone padding. About an inch ctc at 25 yds. was the best I could muster with it.
It must be the way I hold the rifle or something. Lots of guys use bags and get great results. I got disgusted with it and quit trying.
I have no problems getting any of the rifles to shoot 1/2" ctc off a tripod. The HW's will do almost half that if i dont screw up. Sitting with my elbows on my knees holding the rifle is almost as good. But if I try to lay one over a bag I'll toss every third shot into the weeds.
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I have a 3" wide block on the forend of the gun which is a snug fit in a quality bag with slippery fabric on it. I modified my stock so both the block and the rear end of the stock are parallel to the barrel. The rear bag is also a close fit to my stock. The gun just slides straight back though you sill have to be super careful with the trigger.
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That's a nice setup.
I have been on the same page trying to deal with "cant" error.
I have been shooting 75 yards at plinking targets and occasionally drop back to the thirty Yards range, so I need accuracy and mobility. I use two different shoulder bags for switching ranges.
I wound up purchasing an "MDT, Send It" unit and realigning my scope to match it with a plum-Bob out at 75y.
Now I am having elevation problems as I try to figure out repeatability on my check weld and grip.
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My 97k was WAY too skinny in the grip. Trigger position was always an issue. I couldn't get my hand on the rifle when my finger was on the trigger. Getting a consistent position without drag on the trigger hand was impossible.
Easy fix. A form fitted grip shoe. Trigger control improved by 1000% and my groups are much more precise. It made holding the rifle properly much easier. My finger indexes the trigger the same every time and my palm is squarely behind the recoil rather than dragging down the side or hooking my finger.
It made a huge difference in offhand shot control. The rifle is heavy and you need both hands to shoot it. Before when I mounted the rifle I always had to correct the cant because I had no contact on the grip. Now the rifle comes up straight and solid. I can hold a shot much longer and have a lot more control. Trigger timing is easy without all that slack in the grip too.
Easy fix. A form fitted grip shoe. Trigger control improved by 1000% and my groups are much more precise. It made holding the rifle properly much easier. My finger indexes the trigger the same every time and my palm is squarely behind the recoil rather than dragging down the side or hooking my finger.
It made a huge difference in offhand shot control. The rifle is heavy and you need both hands to shoot it. Before when I mounted the rifle I always had to correct the cant because I had no contact on the grip. Now the rifle comes up straight and solid. I can hold a shot much longer and have a lot more control. Trigger timing is easy without all that slack in the grip too.
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I made it. It's PVC clay.
I used modeling clay for a mock up to see exactly what I needed. Then got a lump of PVC clay and formed it.
Here is the clay. You can get it in any color and mix it to get any pattern. I used flesh colored clay because that's what I had. After it's baked it gets solid. I profiled the finished shoe with 120 grit paper and sprayed it with flat black to match the stock.
Easy as pie and fits the rifle like a new set of dentures. Weighs next to nothing.
I've made dozens of these for semi auto pistols and revolvers. Rifle grips too. It's the cats meow. Your hands work it into a perfect fit. When you grab the rifle it feels like a new pair of shoes and your finger lays on the trigger in the same spot always.
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Here’s my 5 springers.
The Hatsan is broken
So I guess I really only have 4.
My favorites in order are:
HW95n .22
Gamo Magnum .25
Gamo Hunter .22
Last is the Bone Collector.22. It’s only accurate 15 yards or less. Groups open way up as you move out the distance. Still pellet testing at this time.
The Hatsan is broken
So I guess I really only have 4.
My favorites in order are:
HW95n .22
Gamo Magnum .25
Gamo Hunter .22
Last is the Bone Collector.22. It’s only accurate 15 yards or less. Groups open way up as you move out the distance. Still pellet testing at this time.
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