HW/Weihrauch Who shoots 22 Weihrauchs at 50 yards or more?

[Mycapt65]

Thanks for the suggestions. I don't use a traditional rest. I hold the rifle in my hands. I do steady my forehand by either leaning my forearm against an towel covered ammo box. Or by resting my fore hand on said box.
I vary my hold pressures to get the best results. Some rifles need more pressure than others. Shooting so many different rifles makes shooting more difficult. Usually it takes me a little bit to get reacquainted with each rifle but the inconsistency of these two are giving me the fits.
In theory the 22 should perform better than 177 or 20 at longer distances. In practice I do better with the smaller calibers. Most of which are run at or close to full power.

I'll have to try a more traditional rest again and see what happens. I'm wondering about

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Try a tripod at the gun's center of gravity or slightly farther back. Sitting on a chair or bucket resting the forend on a narrow (2") pad at the CG is by far the best rest that I've found.

8 shots last night with the HW95. I fired 3 shots before I started plinking to insure zero. When I started missing shotgun shells I would go back to the target to prove to myself the gun was still on. Over the course of the evening I put 8 shots on it.

I love my tripod. It's super portable and works MUCH better for me than a bench with bags. It moves just enough to handle the vibration but still gives you a steady rest up front.

It dosent hold the crosshairs as steady as a bag/bench but the results on paper are infinitely better.

Cheap camera tripod from the thrift store. $5.

The gun drifted "down" about 2-3 clicks over the course of the evening. The lower shots were the last ones....

This rifle is only shooting about 600 fps with wide variations in velocity. It will go from 625 to 575 fps. It's on its second (broken and or sagging) factory spring with no "tuning". At range its a little wild. But at 25 it will still shoot button holes.

 

[Mycapt65]

Try a tripod at the gun's center of gravity or slightly farther back. Sitting on a chair or bucket resting the forend on a pad at the CG is by far the best rest that I've found.

8 shots last night with the HW95. I fired 3 shots before I started plinking to insure zero. When I started missing shotgun shells I would go back to the target to prove to myself the gun was still on. Over the course of the evening I put 8 shots on it.

View attachment 493701

I love my tripod. It's super portable and works MUCH better for me than a bench with bags. It moves just enough to handle the vibration but still gives you a steady rest up front.

It dosent hold the crosshairs as steady as a bag/bench but the results on paper are infinitely better.

The gun drifted "down" about 2-3 clicks over the course of the evening. The lower shots were the last ones....

Thanks. I have one of those tripods. I'll give it a whirl.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Thanks. I have one of those tripods. I'll give it a whirl.

I took the gimbal head off and made a wood yoke. Padded it with closed cell foam and gorilla taped it. Cheapest and easiest rest possible. Works like a charm...

 

[Just Zack 2]

When shooting of a table/bench I usually use a cheap foam block rest (not important) and on top... To be honest it's a huge sock filled with cheap 6mm plastic bb's. Don't recall where the package of socks come from but too big for me to use. I played around with the fill/firmness, tied it off and folded the excess length back over the filled portion making a sack/bag. Gives springers just enough play to recoil naturally, helps dampen vibration and was cheap. Some springers I can just shoot right off of it, some need a hand between.

Camera tripod works too. Had an old one from radio shack I put a yoke on. Did alright, but like Bedrock's idea better.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

There are various silicone items you can get from the adult bookstore that would make a fine rest for a springer.

Those squishy balls the kids play with would make a great pad for a forend rest. Wal Mart has them for a buck.

Silicone seat pads, knee pads, shoe insoles... any of that stuff is great.

I see the FTT guys using it under their butt and over their knees. It's the ideal vibration dampener and it moves with the rifle.

The limbsaver recoil pad keeps your shoulder hold from being too critical. My guns that have them never "jump off your shoulder". The guns that don't have them do it often. I really like the pad. Especially on rifles with a short LOP (HW97K, D34).

Working that padding below and behind the gun really helps. And resting the forend just a bit behind the CG on a narrow point keeps movement back and forth rather than the rifle jumping around on the rest.

 

[Sawney Bean]

These groups look great to me. I have crazy wind to deal with at my range. There are at least four different wind currents between me and the target at 55 yards. I have simple marking tape tied to arrows for flags. Many times they are all moving and usually in different directions. Once in awhile in the morning it is calm. Next time the stars align and the flags are not moving, I will shoot some groups.

My .177 HW's have the same issue. They're tack drivers in still weather, but the wind really blows them around.

 

[Mycapt65]

This is my usual set up. I hold the rifle. Only my hand touches the rest/bag.

I'll play around some more and try the tripod. What I don't get is why the 22s give me more inconsistency than my other two calibers. Don't get me wrong. I'm not printing much better groups with them but they stay closer in size to each other. It's ranging wildly between 3/4 and 2.5" that bothers. Me, if they were all ~1.5" I'd be fine.
Stay tuned

 

[Just Zack 2]

I suppose if you asked someone like Mr. B. Sterne, they'd say something along the lines of flight time, ballistic coefficient and the effects of wind... The .177's zipping along quickly not being affected by wind too long, .20cal moving slower but with better b.c. that handles wind decently and the .22's which might just be spending more time in flight to target regardless of their b.c. (sectional density related) so wind has more time to act on them... But, you know more sciencey with graphs and stuff

You can substitute a light breeze for wind in the statements above, you know what I mean.

Not trying to make light of your frustrations, I'm certain there are reasons beyond shooter skill and the mechanics of the airguns being used.

 

[SpiralGroove]

I would simply say the .22 caliber Weihrauch barrels are more problematic (accuracy wise) with their looser fitting bores vs. .177/.20 counterparts.

Also, the JSB 13.73 pellets has proven itself to be a fantastic round. That’s why MOTÖRHEAD won his field target championship with it and why Hector Medina always uses it in his D54 for international competition.

 

[Mycapt65]

UPDATE.
Well sort of. I tried the tripod thing a little this morning. I shot my old reliable 20 cal R9 to make the comparison. The first two rows were shot in my traditional hand hold. Only 1/3 were wider than a quarter center to center. And those that couldn't were close. It's about what I expect from a decent springer.

Then I switched to the tripod mid page. First row. The three groups were with the gun rested slighty ahead of center of gravity. The next row was shot at the CoG. One third of both rows were slightly wider than a quarter ctc. However the groups were clusterd tighter in general with the tripod.

The tripod definitely shows promise. The gun was only settled on an old gun towel. I'd probably get better results with a different buffer and practice. I will say that it takes longer to return to battery and doesn't feel like real shooting to me. It is probably a good way to test accuracy potential.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

That's a cool setup. And good shooting.

I put the rest BEHIND the CG a little making the rifle a bit front heavy. Not much. Just enough to force the rearward recoil to lift the weight of the gun.

Shooting off a tripod. Here's how I do it. Maybe something I say you can use...

I find my foot position and my elbows locking into my knees are the key to accuracy. My patterns are tighter with heavy canvas pants that don't slide under my elbows. I get my feet planted just right and both my elbows locked on my knees. I get my body angle perfect and fuss with the tripod height. I close my eyes and mount the gun. Then open them. If I'm not on target I adjust my position or height.

I never bring the gun "on target" from a rest. I always bring me "on target" behind the gun. I don't shoot unless the whole ergonomic scene is settled to perfection and the gun naturally centers on the target.

After the shot goes off the gun will settle back on target. If it dosent something needs to adjust. Follow through with the shot until the pellet reaches the target. Notice where your crosshairs wind up after the shot. Use that to improve your shooting position.

After the shot the tripod will move. You will scoot around loading the gun. The whole process starts anew with every shot. Close your eyes. Mount the rifle. Adjust as needed.

Your groups look good! I bet if you experiment a bit more you will find the magic spot. That gun will shoot button holes if you "hold your mouth just right".

 

[Mycapt65]

Update.
22 cal R1 is still misbehaving. Top two rows is tripod. Bottom two hand held. Well at least they're more consistently sized.

I see the 20 cal barrel going back on.

 

[SpiralGroove]

My .20 cal. airguns R9, R10, HW80S & HW80SLK are close to being maxed out for velocity, having a balanced, aggressive shot cycle.
The R9/R10 - 725/735 fps or 16FPE+ and HW80s/HW80SLK 775/795 fps or 18/19 FPE.
They all have a moderate recoil, the HW80S/HW80SLK .
In addition, all my .177 caliber airgun are somewhat maxed out given their individual platforms.

-> However, both calibers are consistently more accurate than their .22 caliber counterparts.

 

[TG59]

I hate to ask, but is there a 22 springer that is more accurate at 40 to 50 yards than Weihrauch’s?

 

[Mycapt65]

I hate to ask, but is there a 22 springer that is more accurate at 40 to 50 yards than Weihrauch’s?

I'm sure there are other very accurate 22 caliber springers out there. Also don't assume my struggles with my two are normal for all 22 Weihrauchs. I know of some Weihrauch 22s that are very accurate at 50 yds. I'd recommend you start a separate thread with what you're looking for. I'm sure you'll get lots of good suggestions.

 

[beerthief]

I have a couple Hatsan 95's. I have never shot a good pattern from a rest. 1.25 at 25 if you are lucky. At 50 yards you need a dot on a pizza box.

Pick either of those guns up and hold it offhand and they will hit a shotgun shell at 35 yards one after another. Sitting with your elbows on your knees they will hit a dime at 35. I can stand offhand and hit a soup can at 65 yards a dozen shots in a row.

Lay the gun on a rest and your groups go in the toilet no matter how steady you are. That soup can at 65 will piss you off.

I took the scopes off and shoot them bare. Offhand or sitting with elbows on my knees. They are my favorite guns to shoot. Definitely not the most accurate.

It's all about handling the vibration. You can't fight it. You vibrate with it. Your body does that well. A bag dosent.

My HW97k sucks off a bag too. It takes 50 shots to figure out how to hold it. Off a camera tripod it shoots a tiny group no matter how you hold it.

My Diana 34 shoots good any way you slice it. Steady as a baby's breath. But off a bag it needs a super light touch to get pinpoint accuracy.

My HW95 is a temperamental bitch that can't be tamed. It will amaze you how tight it shoots. Then it starts tossing them in the corn. As soon as you are red in the face it will drop 50 pellets on a shotgun shell at 65 yards. Then it gets grumpy again.

No telling what it likes. I've never figured it out. I just put it down for a nap and it usually wakes up happy.

My observations from my limited experience is that spring rifles are easiest to shoot in natural positions rather than from bags or rests. And they are better suited to training and plinking than targets or accuracy.

"Lay the gun on a rest and your groups go in the toilet no matter how steady you are. That soup can at 65 will piss you off."
try resting the gun in different places . The rest could be right in front of the trigger guard or 1/3 of the way to the front of the stock or try the exact balance point of the gun .

 

[Bedrock Bob]

"Lay the gun on a rest and your groups go in the toilet no matter how steady you are. That soup can at 65 will piss you off."
try resting the gun in different places . The rest could be right in front of the trigger guard or 1/3 of the way to the front of the stock or try the exact balance point of the gun .

I get that. I'm pretty fastidious about resting a springer.

They suck off a rest. Just as jumpy as hell. It's just not worth my time to figure it out. They shoot great offhand or off your knees and I didn't dig much deeper.

Could they be made smoother? Could a different rest be better? Sure.

My buddy shoots one with a scope off a tripod and he does OK with it. I'm not saying they can't be made to shoot off a rest. I'm just saying that in my experience they shoot a lot better without one.

 

[PEP3]

I use a small tripod that sits on my shooting table and it works great. I have a large one like the one you have but it's a real PITA and I don't shoot well off of it because it's not a natural shooting position.

 

[KitCarson16]

If you are shooting a true HW rifle and not the Beeman then I have a hint for you. Although HW and Beeman are of the same design, the barrels are drastically different......so I speak only of mainly the HW95 or HW80.

This is a set of expensive pellets, however it has been my experience that using them allows me to shoot sugar cubes at 50 yards and on average get three out of five and on a good day when I am relaxed and not distracted 5/8 inch groups. All other pellets will be from 1.5 to 2 inches except the Hades that is very accurate for a lead pellet, however it is so slow the shot curve is extreme.

So I use two No Lead pellets, the 11.75 GTO and the 12.96 Barracuda Green. In my tuned HW95 with the Vortex 4 steel both of these pellets exceed 800 fps and the Barracuda Green also puts out 19 fpe at the muzzle, but mainly these are two very accurate pellets in almost any HW rifle. They are not cheap, and cost around 30 bucks for a tin of 200. Some of my match .22 rimfire are a couple pennies cheaper.

I also shoot with only the forearm rested , and I can tell with age that the ability to hold a rifle steady and still is hit or miss, some days I can, some I know in a shot or two , not today!!

Any way try the GTO and the Barracuda Green, In my 95 the GTO is 860 plus fps, and I forget what the Barracuda Green is.

Be careful with these pellets, they will depending on what you shoot, sometimes bounce right back at you.

That feller Steve somebody?? The one who used to review lots of guns and conduct the give away on this site did a review of the HW 95 and he found also that the GTO was his best pellet . That review is on Youtube if you care to do a quick search for it.

Cheers
Kit