It seems to me that there is quite a bit of dislike towards airforce airguns here. I was just wondering what went south for you guys that made you dislike your gun. I have a .25 condor ss that also has a .22 barrel, and have no complaints about it so far(owned it for 3 years, new from AoA). I enjoy it when it comes to hunting season, or if I find a prairie dog in my pasture. It is also pretty darn accurate. I am looking forward to whacking a song dog with it next winter! Back to my point, I just wanted to know what you guys like/dislike about the AF line of guns.
Why all the airforce hate?
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Several things I really disliked about the Airforce gun,
The loading port that actually doesn't lock is terrible IMO, the ergonomics, the fact that the scope is so high over the Bore ( I don't even like that in Bullpups but because of the design is unavoidable, Russians do a great job in keeping it low by breeching the pellet from the top of the mag ) but on rifles I think it's unacteptable.
The loading port that actually doesn't lock is terrible IMO, the ergonomics, the fact that the scope is so high over the Bore ( I don't even like that in Bullpups but because of the design is unavoidable, Russians do a great job in keeping it low by breeching the pellet from the top of the mag ) but on rifles I think it's unacteptable.
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I don't believe there is any collective "hate" or "dislike" towards Airforce airguns, It's just that they are not as popular as they once were. Hate it or love it, the current trend is all about the bullpup. Airforce decided, for better or for worse, to ignore the bullpup trend and pursue the Highpower Bigbore hunting niche instead Their new .45 Texan is an amazing rifle but lets face it, unless you have acres and acres of land available, it is just too loud and powerful for the typical casual air gunners.
Thats my 2 cents.
Thats my 2 cents.
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Nothing but love here, Airforce set out to build a powerful, accurate rifle, that could shoot lots of full power shots without refilling, was tuneable without tools, at a price point well below the imports. Changing calibers is easy. Mission accomplished! I have a TalonSS .22 with a 24" barrel, 1st time out, full 200bar charge, 10 shots sight in, followed by 10 shots @ 50 meters, .47" with Kodiak 21.12gr domed @ the factory setting, passed it over to my pardner, 10 shots in .58". Went to 100 meter line and used the top of the lower duplex post and hit a hanging 8" metal gong - every time! Give me power and accuracy at an affordable price, I'll do the rest. This rifle has a .257 barrel in its near future. Yes it's ugly in a NASA kinda way, and it will take the longest, heaviest pellets I have seen. I would love to own an FX Independence, but I'm good for now.
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@manny I agree about the ergonomics, AF really should add a Talon Tunes Tank Adapter! 
@travelsforfun I'm starting to like the bullpup look, but nothing compares to a remington model 700!
@45super I get tennis ball sized groups at 100yrds with eunjin 43 grainers, and would like to stretch it, but I run out of shooting room. Let me know about that .257, I'm really interested! Give the guys at Talon Airgun Forum a buzz, they'll set you in the right direction.
@travelsforfun I'm starting to like the bullpup look, but nothing compares to a remington model 700!
@45super I get tennis ball sized groups at 100yrds with eunjin 43 grainers, and would like to stretch it, but I run out of shooting room. Let me know about that .257, I'm really interested! Give the guys at Talon Airgun Forum a buzz, they'll set you in the right direction.
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I've still got one of the first ones made. Good platform and lots of potential
now that one piece tophats can be had-- and the moulded stocks
not a hater
CK
now that one piece tophats can be had-- and the moulded stocks
not a hater
CK
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I think the bone stock Airforce platform needs lil help I have a Talon tunes built
.30 cal SS with additional six inch shroud slap mod one piece top hat Madog stock fully tuned drop down tank adapter tank cover butt stock aluminum trigger shoe vented barrel bushings I love it but after shooting I I sold All other airforce guns the trigger work and tune by tony made it shoot soooo nice powerhouse!!! 100 foot pound silent gun but by the time u get the gun this way the affordable platform is lost 1575 starting point I added the shroud 225 Maddog stock whitch actually helps the frame flex issues of stock rifle as well as cosmetic I love mine!!
.30 cal SS with additional six inch shroud slap mod one piece top hat Madog stock fully tuned drop down tank adapter tank cover butt stock aluminum trigger shoe vented barrel bushings I love it but after shooting I I sold All other airforce guns the trigger work and tune by tony made it shoot soooo nice powerhouse!!! 100 foot pound silent gun but by the time u get the gun this way the affordable platform is lost 1575 starting point I added the shroud 225 Maddog stock whitch actually helps the frame flex issues of stock rifle as well as cosmetic I love mine!!
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I think the airforce series are the most easily customisable gun as compared to any other manufacturer. They can be modded like crazy. Power change, barrel change you name it and the condor delivers. I had a condor earlier but never got used to the tank as the stock. It always seemed uncomfortable to shoulder but I guess that's a personal preference. I now have an FX which I find to be far more easier to use. It's regulated with greater accuracy and consistency. Plus once you get used to shooting using a magazine, single shots just don't ring any Bells.
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I like my Condor SS which I bought used.
That being said, I doubt I would recommend one. It took a tune, MadDog stock, new and pricy hammer and top hat, and a trigger shoe to get it to where it is at. By the time you add up all I spent, I would have been better off with a different rifle. One that has the traditional look and ergonomics that I prefer.
Now that I've used the rifle a lot the adjustability does not do much for me. I learned I'm basically a set it n forget it guy. CO2 seems like a nice option, but I have a big CF tank, so air is usually not a problem.
That being said, I doubt I would recommend one. It took a tune, MadDog stock, new and pricy hammer and top hat, and a trigger shoe to get it to where it is at. By the time you add up all I spent, I would have been better off with a different rifle. One that has the traditional look and ergonomics that I prefer.
Now that I've used the rifle a lot the adjustability does not do much for me. I learned I'm basically a set it n forget it guy. CO2 seems like a nice option, but I have a big CF tank, so air is usually not a problem.
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I agree with all the statements here. Initially I was annoyed by all of those things. But the ability to fiddle with the gun and the quick results of power and accuracy made me a fan. I have several, a 22 short, a 257, and an arrow shooter. In the end, the really annoying things I found workarounds to, or just got used to.
But yeah there is definitely some h8n going on.
But yeah there is definitely some h8n going on.
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The only good things on the airforce is the LW barrel....everything else you need to spend money on top to make it shoot sort of decent.......I do not hate them, but the money you need to spend to make it shot sort of decent you can buy a lot of other makes of airguns with no mods and will out shoot it easily
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I thought I was the only one who really disliked Airforce guns. I think they are the least exciting of all PCP brands. The manufacturer is annoyingly stubborn in their refusal to make a repeater. They have blinkers on. nobody likes to hear that their baby is ugly but someone should tell them...
Every single model looks exactly the same. They have zero imagination or design talent. It's not as if their one design is so good that it can't be improved. It's hideous and requires the immediate purchase of an after-market stock replacement. Is anyone ever excited to see what the new Airforce model looks like???
The vast majority of us want a repeater these days so they should stop being stubborn and build a mag already. Single shot is far too annoying to live with. That's why we ditched the springers. AirForce state on their website that their guns are single shot because they are so accurate that you shouldn't need a follow-up shot. Well, I do need one sometimes. Animals move. They should cut the BS. Their guns are single shot because of laziness and complacency and nothing else.
There are some Airguns that you hardly ever see in the classifieds because people like them. There are always tons of Airforce guns for sale because buying one is a mistake. It doesn't take long for people to realize that they could have bought an accurate powerful repeater for the same or less money. Having to reload before every shot when target shooting is enough take away every bit of the enjoyment.
I get sick of hearing about how single shot guns are more accurate. There are plenty of repeaters that are as accurate or more accurate than any Airforce gun. It's not as if Airforce are winning all the bench rest competitions so there is no need for single shot guns. Include a single shot tray with the gun if needed, or better yet, make the mags big enough for long pellets.
They aren't even cheap considering their obvious limitation. Crossman knows that single shot guns aren't worth much which is why the Discovery only costs $250 which is what the Talon is worth.
The only good thing about Airforce guns is the part that they don't make; the barrel. The LW isn't enough to tempt me. LW are selling air gun barrel blanks for $120 so you can add one to any air gun if they are that important to you.
People say you can customize an Airforce gun. I disagree. You can change out the barrel, stock, air tank etc but you still end up with a nasty looking single shot disappointment. The one thing you can't do is turn it into a nice looking repeater. I have noticed that my desire to customize my air guns diminishes when I have a gun that I actually like. I have no tempations to change anything on the action of my Cricket. I would like a lighter stock and an extension linkage for the side lever but the actual gun is already great. The AR platform is genuinely customizable. Air Force guns are nowhere near that versatile.
Every single model looks exactly the same. They have zero imagination or design talent. It's not as if their one design is so good that it can't be improved. It's hideous and requires the immediate purchase of an after-market stock replacement. Is anyone ever excited to see what the new Airforce model looks like???
The vast majority of us want a repeater these days so they should stop being stubborn and build a mag already. Single shot is far too annoying to live with. That's why we ditched the springers. AirForce state on their website that their guns are single shot because they are so accurate that you shouldn't need a follow-up shot. Well, I do need one sometimes. Animals move. They should cut the BS. Their guns are single shot because of laziness and complacency and nothing else.
There are some Airguns that you hardly ever see in the classifieds because people like them. There are always tons of Airforce guns for sale because buying one is a mistake. It doesn't take long for people to realize that they could have bought an accurate powerful repeater for the same or less money. Having to reload before every shot when target shooting is enough take away every bit of the enjoyment.
I get sick of hearing about how single shot guns are more accurate. There are plenty of repeaters that are as accurate or more accurate than any Airforce gun. It's not as if Airforce are winning all the bench rest competitions so there is no need for single shot guns. Include a single shot tray with the gun if needed, or better yet, make the mags big enough for long pellets.
They aren't even cheap considering their obvious limitation. Crossman knows that single shot guns aren't worth much which is why the Discovery only costs $250 which is what the Talon is worth.
The only good thing about Airforce guns is the part that they don't make; the barrel. The LW isn't enough to tempt me. LW are selling air gun barrel blanks for $120 so you can add one to any air gun if they are that important to you.
People say you can customize an Airforce gun. I disagree. You can change out the barrel, stock, air tank etc but you still end up with a nasty looking single shot disappointment. The one thing you can't do is turn it into a nice looking repeater. I have noticed that my desire to customize my air guns diminishes when I have a gun that I actually like. I have no tempations to change anything on the action of my Cricket. I would like a lighter stock and an extension linkage for the side lever but the actual gun is already great. The AR platform is genuinely customizable. Air Force guns are nowhere near that versatile.
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I like mine it is fun to shoot and play with. I have a SS Talon with three barrels 177, 22, and 25 not as pellet picky as some guns shoots most pellets pretty well. The 25 barrel stays on it most of the time. Like my 22 wildcat better for sure but the Airforce still gets shot a good bit.
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I would like to see them offer a multishot, I think it would really help their popularity.
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LOL! Hey zebra why don't you tell us what you really think? ;-) I have been looking at AF for along time but could never seem to pull the trigger on one. They really do need an infusion of creativity.
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i have one in the box never been shot
i bought it for my grandson and when he saw it said "oh how ugly don't want it"
so there it sits
i don't like them either
like Zebra says have any EVER won a BR match ?
sorry but they are NOT accurate enuff
and VERY un-ergonomic
i bought it for my grandson and when he saw it said "oh how ugly don't want it"
so there it sits
i don't like them either
like Zebra says have any EVER won a BR match ?
sorry but they are NOT accurate enuff
and VERY un-ergonomic
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I love my Condor SS for a number of reasons. Firstly, their design is so simple that it makes them easy to work on; I've disassembled mine down to its constituent parts, something I would be disinclined to try with some of the more expensive and complex designs. Secondly, in part because of the simple design, as others have stated they are equally simple to modify into whatever you want in whatever caliber you want. My latest project includes a .30 cal TJ barrel and carbon fiber tank; the completed gun weighs about 6.5 lbs with scope and rings. I'll write up the results as soon as I get the nerve to brave 20 degree temps and 5" of fresh snow and head out to the range. But I can already tell you that the new tank changes the entire look and feel of the gun and with the baffles center-bored just slightly oversize it borders on backyard friendly noise signature in spite of being .30 cal. Finally, it's American made so there is something satisfying about supporting an home-grown product.
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They aren't the coolest looking rig . The high scope rail and the skinny-barrel makes them look like a toy .
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