Why aren't there more M3's in HFT?

[tpw037]

Thanks for that. Again, I apologize if I took the comments the wrong way. It just seemed that people were saying, this is me loosely, "the M3 is a bad choice. Go with something else". I think people missed; that is what I have and I don't have another 3k to drop on a pellet gun. My wife is already wondering why I spent 3k as it is. Hopefully when I make it to a match I'll be able to talk with a few veterans. If I embarrass myself by scoring a 10, so be it. At the end of the day I just want to have fun, try a new discipline, and meet more enthusiasts without negativity.

 

[AirNGasman]

To change the mood of this thread, let's look on the bright side. The OP could have been asking for opinions about using a cheap springer in Field Target. THEN some folks would have good reason(s) to be ashamed of their responses!

Don't ask how I know this.

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[Franklink]

Thanks for that. Again, I apologize if I took the comments the wrong way. It just seemed that people were saying, this is me loosely, "the M3 is a bad choice. Go with something else". I think people missed; that is what I have and I don't have another 3k to drop on a pellet gun. My wife is already wondering why I spent 3k as it is. Hopefully when I make it to a match I'll be able to talk with a few veterans. If I embarrass myself by scoring a 10, so be it. At the end of the day I just want to have fun, try a new discipline, and meet more enthusiasts without negativity.

Most ft shooters will let you take a few shots with their gun to let you see what you think of various platforms. If you're offered this opportunity, take it!

 

[thane]

Most ft shooters will let you take a few shots with their gun to let you see what you think of various platforms. If you're offered this opportunity, take it!

...unless it is Cole with a USFT, you could end up having to acquire one... or so I heard.

 

[Franklink]

...unless it is Cole with a USFT, you could end up having to acquire one... or so I heard.

Sounds familiar.

 

[tpw037]

To change the mood of this thread, let's look on the bright side. The OP could have been asking for opinions about using a cheap springer in Field Target. THEN some folks would have good reason(s) to be ashamed of their responses!

Don't ask how I know this.

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I do have a Beeman P17 I bought on Amazon for a few bucks. It's very accurate for what it is. Should I get into pistol FT instead?

 

[qball]

I knew my original question would be stirring up a s*** show. From the research that I've been able to do, with a few helpful comments from you guys, it appears that the M3's flaw is in the cold shot. I'm not going to get into it here but there is a 40 page thread on the flaw and how to fix it. It's not reg creep. It's not a shifting poi (per se). It's not accuracy. There was a design flaw or overlooked result of engineering. The M3 is reliable in those. I think the consensus is that the shooter also has to have an in depth feel and knowledge for their rifle.

You can have the most accurate weapon in the world, and you know that it shoots 3mm low and 1mm to the left on its first few shots and you compensate for it, onlookers will think it's the gun not the shooter. Right?

The best snipers in the world make adjustments for the tools they are using because they know, no rifle is perfect, but they know how to use theirs!

I'm not saying that the M3 is perfect, I'm not saying it should be used more in FT. What I was trying to get at is; that's what I have now and was wondering why they are not used more, which I think I got the answer to. I've seen the results from Palmyra's matches and it appears that there's a few who use them with what looks like winning results, so that's where my question was born from.

This is not going to be popular but I feel the need to say it. Maybe I'm wrong. I've been known to be.

For those of you who have never owned an M3 and are bashing it, for those of you who feel that your rifle is the only one that will ever be able to win, for those of you who have such a strong opinion as to not even listen to another point of view; you should be ashamed.

I'm an new to this and am looking for guidance and advice since I don't know. I heard that the FT community is very open and very willing to teach the younger generation the sport that they love. I didn't get that from the comments. There is no one that I am pointing out, nor any particular comment, it just feels that the general thread went to bashing instead of helping.

If I'm wrong I apologize. That was just the overall feel that I got. Maybe we can correct this or put it to an end. Everyone has their own opinion, every brand, every model, every individual rifle is different. I thank all of you for the comments. I have gained some insight and I hope that I can still try to get into the sport with EVERYONE'S advice and experience.

USUALLY the field target crowd is quite open and accepting. HOWEVER, at least on this forum there is a group of people just love bashing FX, especially in 177 and even worse if you mention field target. I'm sure some of them had bad experience while back with FX but FX is always improving and easy adjustments also means easy mistakes/user errors. Had you said you have a Daystate or even a cheap Diana instead of an impact you probably would have gotten much more help! Yes, the FX Impact hate is that strong here.

Either way PM me if you need your help setup your M3 for FT, it's easy. Impact can be tuned to be incredibly consistent if you know how and the M3 is the best iteration yet with no POI shift many keep on talking about. I have 2 older MK2 and don't see the infamous POI problem.

 

[tpw037]

USUALLY the field target crowd is quite open and accepting. HOWEVER, at least on this forum there is a group of people just love bashing FX, especially in 177 and even worse if you mention field target. I'm sure some of them had bad experience while back with FX but FX is always improving and easy adjustments also means easy mistakes/user errors. Had you said you have a Daystate or even a cheap Diana instead of an impact you probably would have gotten much more help! Yes, the FX Impact hate is that strong here.

Either way PM me if you need your help setup your M3 for FT, it's easy. Impact can be tuned to be incredibly consistent if you know how and the M3 is the best iteration yet with no POI shift many keep on talking about. I have 2 older MK2 and don't see the infamous POI problem.

I'll get in contact with you over the next few days. Let me get my new barrel and scope on. I appreciate the help. Also the comments from everyone. It's always good to hear other opinions. I didn't mean to offend anyone with the ashamed comment. Sorry again if I ruffled feathers.

 

[cavedweller]

I started shooting FT last year after I ordered a 600mm .177 barrel for my M3. Once tuned to shoot the JSB 10.34 pellets, it was accurate and consistent. My scores improved as I practiced standing and kneeling shots well as my hold over skills. My only ‘complaint’ with the M3 is the trigger pull is a bit heavy but I learned to work with it.
My reason for not using my M3 in FT anymore is it’s a great varmint gun and I leave it set up with a larger caliber. I have four other guns that I use for FT. But I have not doubt if I converted it back to .177, I could do just as well with it as I do with my other guns.
Get out there and enjoy your first year of FT shooting! Good luck.

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[Solo1]

Well many of you guys seem to be taking me for bashing fx at least that is how it feels. This cant be farther from the truth. I have a m3 with 177-22-25-30 barrels does the gun shoot all calibers to my satisfaction no not really, have I recommended a m3 to people for certain situations yes i have. I dont think the maverick or the m3 are suited to field target! Are there other fx guns that are better suited yes i do. The question was why arent there more m3’s in ft in my opinion they are not well suited. Also my maverick would shoot wonderfully here at my house but take to ny and it acted like a entirely different gun so unless i tuned it there? This and comparing a conventional rifle to a bull pup is why i got on qball. You must compare apples to apples or your just wasting breath


Oh and my original comment was to try to save you some pain and chose a gun for ft that would make you happy rather than sad

 

[qball]

Well many of you guys seem to be taking me for bashing fx at least that is how it feels. This cant be farther from the truth. I have a m3 with 177-22-25-30 barrels does the gun shoot all calibers to my satisfaction no not really, have I recommended a m3 to people for certain situations yes i have. I dont think the maverick or the m3 are suited to field target! Are there other fx guns that are better suited yes i do. The question was why arent there more m3’s in ft in my opinion they are not well suited. Also my maverick would shoot wonderfully here at my house but take to ny and it acted like a entirely different gun so unless i tuned it there? This and comparing a conventional rifle to a bull pup is why i got on qball. You must compare apples to apples or your just wasting breath


Oh and my original comment was to try to save you some pain and chose a gun for ft that would make you happy rather than sad

You have your right to opinion on if bullpup is suited for FT or not. It is my opinion that bullpup is just different ergonomic and everyone likes and adjust to different ergonomics differently. Personally I really like bullpup on the sticks and that’s I hunt. OP only has one gun and there is no harm in finding out if he like bullpup ergonomics or not. You think they are FX apples vs orange but I think it’s FX oranges vs grapefruit. Again, that’s just opinions and OP can find out himself.

Is FX made and designed for HFT? No but neither are most guns out there, in fact HFT in the US is rather new and most hunting style rifle can fit that application well. WFTF is a very different story on the other hand.

 

[pesty3782]

tpw037

Go out and have fun is the most important item when it comes to PCP's. I started out with a Crown 177 in HFT and it did pretty good. I sold it to a friend who had rabbit issues and I picked up a Daystate Huntsman on sale....Great little rifle and nowhere close to 3K more in the line of 1300.

If you are ever out in AZ, at a match, when I am shooting, we can pair up and you are welcome to share the rifle if you want to.

Shoot the Impact and see if you even like FT....Some do some don't. It's my wife's favorite discipline.

Tony P.

 

[oaks1450]

I want all of my guns to be able to shoot FT if there able too. Since you brought up Palmyra, during the regular FT season they will often do a shortened 20 shot XFT target course in addition to the normal FT course All in one day. So I have been using my Impact to shoot the XFT in .25 then change the barrel to .177 and proceed to shoot the FT course. There is absolutely no reason you shouldn’t shoot your impact to start your journey. First and foremost FT should be about having fun!